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  • L Lost User

    Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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    B Clay Shannon
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    I agree totally; it's probably the biggest irritant of any, when it comes to diction. However, another is when people spell "too" as "to."

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    • L Lost User

      So if I say 'I'm literally pulling my hair out' How do you know if I'm actually pulling my hair out or not? It introduces ambiguity to a word that's sole purpose is to remove ambiguity.

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      lewax00
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      I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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      • L Lost User

        Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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        AspDotNetDev
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        I literarily agree.

        Thou mewling ill-breeding pignut!

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        • B B Clay Shannon

          I agree totally; it's probably the biggest irritant of any, when it comes to diction. However, another is when people spell "too" as "to."

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          Member 9040137 wrote:

          another is when people spell "too" as "to."

          This can be easily done, and doesn't necessarily mean the perpetrator doesn't understand the difference between the two, so I am more willing to ignore.

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          • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

            Clearly, here "Virtually" = "Almost". Which in context also means practically or actually.

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            Fred McGalliard
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            Brilliant! So virtually indistructable means literally almost indistructable. I love English. But it does suffer as a means of communication. On the other hand, what fun is it if there isn't enough ambiguity to play with?? The French go to great extreemes to keep their language pure, but I do not think that appropriate. But at it's core - all communication worth having is art and thus must be beautiful, whimsical, inventive, sometimes informitave, and yes - ambiguous in measure.

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            • L lewax00

              I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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              TNCaver
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              Not to mention saying 'I'm figuratively pulling my hair out' just doesn't carry the same punch and drama to match the mental image of 'pulling my hair out'.

              If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.

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              • L Lost User

                Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                User 4049335
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                Begging the Question is often used when Raising the Question is correct Begging the Question is a logical fallacy which results from circular logic

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                • R Roger Wright

                  I used to get excited about such blatant corruption, but now that the number of people too lazy or ignorant to use their own native language correctly far exceeds the number of us who care, it hardly seems worth the effort. Let them drown in their stupidity... :|

                  Will Rogers never met me.

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                  Newspeak and Marching Morons all rolled into one. It'd be hilariously funny if it weren't so sad.

                  We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                  • L lewax00

                    I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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                    Ralph Little
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                    Nah, if anyone said they had "literally pulled their hair out" I would assume they meant that they had physical wrenched the hair from the follicles. Otherwise, what's the point of the word? But then there are a number of other words used inappropriately to apply stress to a point. For example, "absolutely", "incredibly", "awesome". I do think that the language is losing a lot of its richness because of the lack of imagination of the utterers. Oh, and I would ban the word "like" when used as a substitute for breathing.

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                    • N NickPace

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                      particularly gets on my tits

                      Really? And your complaining about "literally"?

                      -NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.

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                      Ralph Little
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                      You're ... oh I get it, you're being ironic. :D

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                      • L Lost User

                        Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                        OffCenter
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                        I'm surprised that no one has brought it up already so I'll play the role of the pedantic grammar Nazi: >>Now I don't normally get to pedantic...<< should be >>Now I don't normally get too pedantic...<< Now that I've gotten that off of my two tits I'll get back to the point, and say that I, too, find it offensive that "literally" is being used figuratively.

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          PB 369,783 wrote:

                          as this has wound me up.

                          To literally lick your wounds? ;) Marc

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                          I didn't know the past tense of shit was shat. I suppose shitted doesn't sound quite right either.

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                          • L Lost User

                            Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                            KP Lee
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                            Oh my, since you seem to be a literal personality, however are you going to clear your tits ever after? (IE how can you get rid of something that doesn't exist?) As the author said, this usage of the word has literally been around for centuries.

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                            • L Lost User

                              Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                              Mike Marynowski
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                              Did you actually read the article? It was used that way TWO CENTURIES ago, and there are lots of examples of other words that have had their meaning transformed over the years. That's how language works, that's how it always worked, and that's how it will continue to work. There's nothing "improper" about people adopting a new usage of a word and eventually updating the dictionary to reflect it's common usage...that's just language evolution. You are coming across like a butthurt COBOL developer who is sad that his language is no longer in popular use for new projects :laugh: Common man, get with the times! :)

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                              • L Lost User

                                Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                Black68cougar
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                                Is this a literal complaint about sarcasm or a sarcastic complaint about literalism or ... Reminds me of a joke about word use - During his normal boring lecture, a professor says 'In some languages, a double negative is a positive. And in others, it is a stronger negative. But in no language is a double positive a negative' And from the back of the lecture hall we hear 'Yeah, right' Sarcastically yours, Doug

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                                  Now I don't normally get to pedantic about English, grammar etc but this one[^] particularly gets on my tits. Both the wrong usage of it and the fact it is now going in the Dictionary because people can't use it properly. What do others think of this? To give an example 'This literally made my blood boil" and "I was literally climbing the ceiling". I mean if literally means not literally then how can we emphasise that "We literally shat ourselves" for example. I'm off home as this has wound me up.

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                                  RafagaX
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                                  Literally have the same literal use in Spanish and I've heard people that also use it in a figurative sense, so I assume that times change.

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                                  • L lewax00

                                    I'd think that's still a case of exaggeration, I've never known anyone to literally pull their hair out. That's what makes it clear - context. And of course other things like tone that may not come across well in writing.

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                                    User 10160602
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                                    I actually literally pull my hair out. As you may or may not know, hair follicles go through active and dormant cycles. It's why you wake up in the morning and may see a few hairs on your pillow. All I do is remove those dormant hairs before they wind up clogging the drain or sullying my pillow. I've never pulled my hair out from frustration, as is the typical use of the term tends to suggest. So now I had to use the term "actually literally" to mean "literally" and not literarily literally.

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                                      I actually literally pull my hair out. As you may or may not know, hair follicles go through active and dormant cycles. It's why you wake up in the morning and may see a few hairs on your pillow. All I do is remove those dormant hairs before they wind up clogging the drain or sullying my pillow. I've never pulled my hair out from frustration, as is the typical use of the term tends to suggest. So now I had to use the term "actually literally" to mean "literally" and not literarily literally.

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                                      lewax00
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                                      But see, given the context, it would be pretty clear you weren't exaggerating. That would be a rather strange to exaggerate about...

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                                      • F Fred McGalliard

                                        Brilliant! So virtually indistructable means literally almost indistructable. I love English. But it does suffer as a means of communication. On the other hand, what fun is it if there isn't enough ambiguity to play with?? The French go to great extreemes to keep their language pure, but I do not think that appropriate. But at it's core - all communication worth having is art and thus must be beautiful, whimsical, inventive, sometimes informitave, and yes - ambiguous in measure.

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                                        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                        Indeed. Veritably so!

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        • B Black68cougar

                                          Is this a literal complaint about sarcasm or a sarcastic complaint about literalism or ... Reminds me of a joke about word use - During his normal boring lecture, a professor says 'In some languages, a double negative is a positive. And in others, it is a stronger negative. But in no language is a double positive a negative' And from the back of the lecture hall we hear 'Yeah, right' Sarcastically yours, Doug

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                                          kalberts
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                                          Also: Two wrongs never make a right, but three lefts may.

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