Interesting question
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Marcus Kramer wrote:
no different than a person of one religion telling a person of another religion to leave the neighborhood because of that difference
Which is a crime in the UK, under the Equality Act 2010[^] The same act would (probably, I haven't checked) cover the letter as discrimination against a disabled person, or even as a "Hate Crime" against the boy and his family. Certainly, if the author lived in social housing, the council concerned would immediately evict them (if it's private or privately rented, they can't be evicted because that is also discrimination, this time against the criminals - who said the law is consistent?)
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Marcus Kramer wrote:
no different than a person of one religion telling a person of another religion to leave the neighborhood because of that difference
Which is a crime in the UK, under the Equality Act 2010[^] The same act would (probably, I haven't checked) cover the letter as discrimination against a disabled person, or even as a "Hate Crime" against the boy and his family. Certainly, if the author lived in social housing, the council concerned would immediately evict them (if it's private or privately rented, they can't be evicted because that is also discrimination, this time against the criminals - who said the law is consistent?)
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Of course it should be a crime! How can there be any doubt? All those exclamation marks, capitalisation and question marks, bad grammar etc. STRING 'em up!!!!!!!! ???????
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It's not a question of "Agree" or "Disagree" with a law - most of the time they are written in such complicated language that you don't stand a chance of understanding it properly unless you are a high court judge - it's more a case of the "spirit" of the law that you embrace or not. In this case, I can see what they are trying to do: stop extremists (of whatever stripe) from being able to deliberately inflame minority communities. But...it doesn't fit well with free speech... I suspect it was designed to give them a reason to lock up Abu Hamza al-Masri whenever his lawyer sprung him on another technicality... I guess I'd rather live in a society where such legislation wasn't needed. Fat Chance! :laugh:
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Of course it should be a crime! How can there be any doubt? All those exclamation marks, capitalisation and question marks, bad grammar etc. STRING 'em up!!!!!!!! ???????
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Unfortunately stupidity by itself is not a crime. If bullying were against the law then the jails would be overflowing (which is already a problem in the US). It's incredibly insensitive but life is not fair and you need to get on with your life regardless of how stupid the people are around you. People say stupid things all the time and we can't go running to the police every time they do.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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loctrice wrote:
should it be a crime
Yes absolutely it should be a crime. No child, much less an autistic child, should be sent off to go "whaling" unsupervised! Not to mention that whaling is frowned upon in many parts of the world.
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Not to mention that whaling is frowned upon in many parts of the world.
I don't know if the custom still exists today but in Jesus's time there were professional wailers that you could hire to mourn with you.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Not to mention that whaling is frowned upon in many parts of the world.
I don't know if the custom still exists today but in Jesus's time there were professional wailers that you could hire to mourn with you.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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ryanb31 wrote:
custom still exists
I am pretty sure that you can still do this. Seems to me that I heard about this not too long ago. New Orleans maybe. You can hire professional mourners for funerals.
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I know a few drama queens that would be great at it. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It is hateful and vile and I hope they find out who did it and that they get so many similar letters and are so reviled in their community they have to move. However, I don't think writing a letter that spews hate should be a crime. They have the freedom to speak, and we all have the freedom to speak right back. If there were a specific threat in the letter that would be a different issue.
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Not to mention that whaling is frowned upon in many parts of the world.
I don't know if the custom still exists today but in Jesus's time there were professional wailers that you could hire to mourn with you.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Indeed. I believe Bob Marley fronted such an organisation.
Chill _Maxxx_
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Indeed. I believe Bob Marley fronted such an organisation.
Chill _Maxxx_
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierHis organisation would only provide mourners for female funerals. It was on his business card: "No woman, no cry".
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His organisation would only provide mourners for female funerals. It was on his business card: "No woman, no cry".
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At least they provided the sandwiches "Wi' Jam in".
Chill _Maxxx_
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At least they provided the sandwiches "Wi' Jam in".
Chill _Maxxx_
CodeStash - Online Snippet Management | My blog | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easierAnd made sure everyone rose for the hymns: "Get up, stand up"
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Probably not a crime, but I think that is too bad. This letter is really no different than a person of one religion telling a person of another religion to leave the neighborhood because of that difference. It is intolerant and full of bigotry in my humble opinion.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Marcus Kramer wrote:
This letter is really no different than a person of one religion telling a person of another religion to leave the neighborhood because of that difference
Letter seems to make some specific points about actions - not just preferences. But as for your analogy of religion some religions require the sacrifice of animals. Is ok if your neighbor sacrifices a cow on their lawn every Saturday? And invites 100 of their closest friends over to enjoy the festivities for the dawn ceremony? For that matter do you want someone doing that in their house every week? There are of course reasons that health departments inspect meat processors not only to insure the quality of the food that goes out but to insure that the remains are safely disposed of. But perhaps it is ok with you if your neighbor uses their back yard as a midden pit?
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Is it legal for an adult, who doesn't have any disabilities, to go outside and scream and cry for hours on their front lawn every day? Pretty sure where I am that the police would start getting involved in the situation even if there might not be much they can do. If at night then there is the possibility of a disturbing the peace fine. But presuming it is legal then is it illegal for someone to complain about it? Not to mention of course, but I suppose that most normal people would react negatively to an adult but would want to do something about a child that was crying. And as such if in continued endlessly then it would become emotionally draining. From the letter it also wasn't clear to me where the mother was while this was going on. Perhaps inside enjoying the quiet (since the noise was now outside.)
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While I have not read the detail of the letter it sounds like someone who has been pushed beyond her endurance of a screaming child. I presume the words used are pretty vile which probably indicates just how extreme the situation has become. I'd hate to be a neighbor to such an offensive creature and I'd hate to be the mother to such a disabled child. While I would not couch the words in such an offensive manner, nor would I send even a politely worded letter to the mother, I agree that some of the severely disabled should be euthanised. But then there are people like Hawking that completely refute that argument! Nothing is simply black and white.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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How can it be a crime, she is only voicing her opinion. Unpleasant she might be, but it is not hate speech. Anyway, she has a point, if the kid is put out in the yard and howls all day then it is a noise disturbance.
