Sometimes, when you're moderating articles...
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My hands are perfectly clean! I washed then, what, last Tuesday?
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This would be the one case that I would agree with ridicule as an consequence. 0) The internet sees all, you will not get away with plagiarism, especially in a forum populated by pedants. 1) You need to be publicly shamed for even thinking for a moment that it is OK to do something like that. 3) In some cases it could be construed as a criminal offense.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
S Houghtelin wrote:
especially in a forum populated by pedants.
That is highly exaggerated.
S Houghtelin wrote:
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FTFY
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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S Houghtelin wrote:
especially in a forum populated by pedants.
That is highly exaggerated.
S Houghtelin wrote:
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FTFY
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
;) I was wondering any of the pedants were going to catch that. +5! :laugh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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;) I was wondering any of the pedants were going to catch that. +5! :laugh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Shameel wrote:
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If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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...it's difficult to decide what to vote for: "Accept" or "Needs help". But I've just met one that gave me the same problem, but in a different direction. 1) The article is rubbish. :thumbsdown: 2) The article is spam. :thumbsdown: 3) The article is plagiarised.:thumbsdown: So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Triple fail!
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We need another option: 4) The author should be run through a leaf shredder as a service to mankind.
Software Zen:
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...it's difficult to decide what to vote for: "Accept" or "Needs help". But I've just met one that gave me the same problem, but in a different direction. 1) The article is rubbish. :thumbsdown: 2) The article is spam. :thumbsdown: 3) The article is plagiarised.:thumbsdown: So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Triple fail!
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Why is this causing you anguish, Griff? This is a no-brainer - trash it. Anyone can write a bad article- we all have off days. But to steal a bad article and claim it as one's own is a new low on the Class Act scale, and deserves only the least of accolades. Stoning would be appropriate, but I suspect that shunning is going to be our only effective recourse. Chris is still clinging to his belief that sharing the technology he's developed to selectively send crippling electric shocks to specific keys on selected users' keyboards is morally wrong. I happen to believe that sharing this technique with a few million of his closest fans and followers would do much to clean up the ether as we know it, and make it safe again for children to explore. But he's the boss; what can I hope to do to change his usually superior mind?
Will Rogers never met me.
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Why is this causing you anguish, Griff? This is a no-brainer - trash it. Anyone can write a bad article- we all have off days. But to steal a bad article and claim it as one's own is a new low on the Class Act scale, and deserves only the least of accolades. Stoning would be appropriate, but I suspect that shunning is going to be our only effective recourse. Chris is still clinging to his belief that sharing the technology he's developed to selectively send crippling electric shocks to specific keys on selected users' keyboards is morally wrong. I happen to believe that sharing this technique with a few million of his closest fans and followers would do much to clean up the ether as we know it, and make it safe again for children to explore. But he's the boss; what can I hope to do to change his usually superior mind?
Will Rogers never met me.
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;) I was wondering any of the pedants were going to catch that. +5! :laugh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
0, 1, 3 is a perfectly acceptable counting system. The number is the decimal version of the binary value of the base 1 representation of the natural numbers. Viz: 0 [b10] = 0 [b2] ==> 0 [b1] = 0 (dec) (special case as base 1 has no representation for zero) 1 [b10] = 1 [b2] ==> 1 [b1] = 1 (dec) (fairly obvious) 3 [b10] = 11 [b2] ==> 11 [b1] = 2 (dec) 7 [b10] = 111 [b2] ==> 111 [b1] = 3 (dec) etc
function decimalVersionOfBase1Number(naturalNumber)
{
return naturalNumber ? (1 << (naturalNumber - 1) - 1) : 0;
}Or
n => 2^n - 1
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We need another option: 4) The author should be run through a leaf shredder as a service to mankind.
Software Zen:
delete this;>We need another option: > >4) The author should be run through a leaf shredder as a service to mankind. Why a leaf shredder instead of a chipper? Or are chippers only for friends?
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>We need another option: > >4) The author should be run through a leaf shredder as a service to mankind. Why a leaf shredder instead of a chipper? Or are chippers only for friends?
Shredders generally produce a finer-grained result than chippers. The idea here is to reduce each piece of the spammer below growth viability. A chipper would be overkill in any case, since spammers are invertebrates and don't have an endoskeletal structure to be broken up.
William Clardy wrote:
Or are chippers only for friends?
Who have you been talking to :suss:? Friends help you hide. Good friends help you hide bodies. Great friends don't ask why. Best friends make suggestions.
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...it's difficult to decide what to vote for: "Accept" or "Needs help". But I've just met one that gave me the same problem, but in a different direction. 1) The article is rubbish. :thumbsdown: 2) The article is spam. :thumbsdown: 3) The article is plagiarised.:thumbsdown: So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Triple fail!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article?
Can you have their article posting privileges banned for a while? If its truly spam or plagiarized, there's no sense in letting them keep retrying until they find a moderator that accepts their efforts. If not, then can you at least flag their account for extra scrutiny by future moderators for a while?
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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...it's difficult to decide what to vote for: "Accept" or "Needs help". But I've just met one that gave me the same problem, but in a different direction. 1) The article is rubbish. :thumbsdown: 2) The article is spam. :thumbsdown: 3) The article is plagiarised.:thumbsdown: So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Triple fail!
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I don't think any of the solutions is what should happen. There are people who do not know what plagiarism is. There are currently authors on CP who do not reference the work of others to the extent they should. Mentoring is important. If you are moderating then I would argue that you must also be mentoring. Explain the problems to the author. Let him know that as it stands the article cannot be published. If the subject treatment is too shallow, tell the author to deepen it. If you think something is plagiarized, provide the author with a link to the original. Note this requires that there actually was plagiarism. So help the author out. At least he took the time to try to supply information.
Gus Gustafson
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I don't think any of the solutions is what should happen. There are people who do not know what plagiarism is. There are currently authors on CP who do not reference the work of others to the extent they should. Mentoring is important. If you are moderating then I would argue that you must also be mentoring. Explain the problems to the author. Let him know that as it stands the article cannot be published. If the subject treatment is too shallow, tell the author to deepen it. If you think something is plagiarized, provide the author with a link to the original. Note this requires that there actually was plagiarism. So help the author out. At least he took the time to try to supply information.
Gus Gustafson
I do all that.
gggustafson wrote:
So help the author out. At least he took the time to try to supply information.
No, he didn't. He copied some rubbish, pasted it into an article template and submitted it as his own work. At the very least, if it was information that would be plagiarism, or "stealing" someone elses work. You have articles here of your own, so you know how much work goes into producing one. Should we let people "get away" with taking that from you just so they can artificially inflate their reputation? And I did. I left him a message that it was rubbish, that it was spam, and that it was plagiarised, and that none of those are acceptable.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article?
Can you have their article posting privileges banned for a while? If its truly spam or plagiarized, there's no sense in letting them keep retrying until they find a moderator that accepts their efforts. If not, then can you at least flag their account for extra scrutiny by future moderators for a while?
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
No. Only Admins can do that - I'm glad to say. Even us Protectors have limited powers in what we can delete / edit / mangle / spindle/ mutilate / destroy. But, he got an "Spam or Abusive" vote on his account as a result from me, and I suspect from others. It doesn't take a lot of those for your account to disappear! :laugh:
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...it's difficult to decide what to vote for: "Accept" or "Needs help". But I've just met one that gave me the same problem, but in a different direction. 1) The article is rubbish. :thumbsdown: 2) The article is spam. :thumbsdown: 3) The article is plagiarised.:thumbsdown: So what should you vote when someone has taken a badly written advert and copy'n'pasted it as his own article? :laugh: Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... Triple fail!
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I do all that.
gggustafson wrote:
So help the author out. At least he took the time to try to supply information.
No, he didn't. He copied some rubbish, pasted it into an article template and submitted it as his own work. At the very least, if it was information that would be plagiarism, or "stealing" someone elses work. You have articles here of your own, so you know how much work goes into producing one. Should we let people "get away" with taking that from you just so they can artificially inflate their reputation? And I did. I left him a message that it was rubbish, that it was spam, and that it was plagiarised, and that none of those are acceptable.
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But did you offer to mentor? I realize that it takes a great deal of time but, in the end, it may turn a poor author into a great one. Way back when I first started writing User Manuals, Functional Descriptions, Grammar Specifications, and articles to be published in the journals and publications of the day, I was fortunate to have a colleague who would edit my work. He never suggested that what I was writing was rubbish. Rather he might suggest a different approach. Inevitably when I followed his advice, my writings improved. After some time, we parted ways. To this day I will always fondly recall the way he made his criticisms, suggestions, and comments. He made me a better author.
Gus Gustafson
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Nope: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/nought[^] Nice try though - I'm a noughty boy! :laugh:
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But did you offer to mentor? I realize that it takes a great deal of time but, in the end, it may turn a poor author into a great one. Way back when I first started writing User Manuals, Functional Descriptions, Grammar Specifications, and articles to be published in the journals and publications of the day, I was fortunate to have a colleague who would edit my work. He never suggested that what I was writing was rubbish. Rather he might suggest a different approach. Inevitably when I followed his advice, my writings improved. After some time, we parted ways. To this day I will always fondly recall the way he made his criticisms, suggestions, and comments. He made me a better author.
Gus Gustafson
No, I didn't. Because I don't believe that the OP was interested in good article quality, or improving himself, or anything useful. All he wanted as far as I could see was to get rep points for sod all. If he had tried to produce the best article he could, then he could have responded to the message I left, defending himself in some way - or even swearing at me. But he didn't - which kinda shows me that he didn't care in the least because he hadn't put any time or effort in and wasn't about to start.
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