It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
They're idiots for thinking they can just let someone walk in off the street, and plug in their possibly virus-filled laptop into the company network. Their IT staff would scream bloody murder at the prospect.
They're idiots if they think it's a good idea; but often this is being driven by people in IT who want to be able to use their fondleslabs at the office. X| X| X|
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
So wipe the person's computer and install corporate software? No way is my employer going to tell me what I can/can't do on my own computer (because that's what it would come down to in order to maintain any type of security/corporate privacy).
Once you've given corporate IT admin rights, or remote wipe rights, etc; it's no longer your computer even if you were stupid enough to pay for it with your money. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
Once you've given corporate IT the NSA admin rights, or remote wipe surveillance rights, etc; it's no longer your computer even if you were stupid enough to pay for it with your money.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Not unreasonable really. Employer provides you with wifi, and some sort of terminal server access, something like citgo. You access your VM, do your coding. Actually they don't even need to provide you an office or wifi, you can do it from home. Need 2 factor authentication from your employer a vm and some method of RDC and that's really it.
"Sanity is not statistical." - Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
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They're idiots for thinking they can just let someone walk in off the street, and plug in their possibly virus-filled laptop into the company network. Their IT staff would scream bloody murder at the prospect. So wipe the person's computer and install corporate software? No way is my employer going to tell me what I can/can't do on my own computer (because that's what it would come down to in order to maintain any type of security/corporate privacy). No way this would happen.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Not to you, but how about a starving programmer out of work for 6 months? You're right about the crap they expect us to run. My work PC is actually slower than the one at home, though it is 5 years newer. This is just a ploy to make employees pay for equipment.
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
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They didn't think outsourcing through either and it still happened.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
They didn't think outsourcing through either and it still happened.
Huh? What exactly do you mean by "happened"? Outsourcing wasn't invented 10 years ago. And it hasn't had a serious impact on the market (not in the US.) And there are plenty of failure stories associated with the attempts.
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Not unreasonable really. Employer provides you with wifi, and some sort of terminal server access, something like citgo. You access your VM, do your coding. Actually they don't even need to provide you an office or wifi, you can do it from home. Need 2 factor authentication from your employer a vm and some method of RDC and that's really it.
"Sanity is not statistical." - Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
kmg365 wrote:
Not unreasonable really.
And robots will take over all menial tasks. However in the real world, one must deal with all the non-ideal realities that intrude. Such, for example, the fact that humans are really, really poor at predicting the future especially long term predictions.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane.
Do you believe every opinion piece that you read?
What gives you the impression I do? You certainly don't know me!
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
They didn't think outsourcing through either and it still happened.
Huh? What exactly do you mean by "happened"? Outsourcing wasn't invented 10 years ago. And it hasn't had a serious impact on the market (not in the US.) And there are plenty of failure stories associated with the attempts.
I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history. Sure, move software development work to countries where the number of computers in use per 1,000 people was, I think, 10 back in 2003. Not exactly a huge base of experience to work with there. Compare that to the U.S. stat of about 760 per 1,000 back then. That's the lack of thinking I refered to.
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Yeah, it'll never fly for the great bulk of employees, but I suppose for the hipster douchebags who do sales presentations and want to show off their latest iDung it could be made to work -- anything to keep them out of the office. It reminds me of when my wife worked in a call center and the rule was that they had to read their email each morning, which had to be done at work, but they weren't allowed to do it on company time. The management said it was like McDonald's employees having to put on their uniforms on their own time. They lost the class action suit.
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kmg365 wrote:
Not unreasonable really.
And robots will take over all menial tasks. However in the real world, one must deal with all the non-ideal realities that intrude. Such, for example, the fact that humans are really, really poor at predicting the future especially long term predictions.
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I am already working like this and eventually... you will to.
jschell wrote:
And robots will take over all menial tasks.
No Latvians will[^], and will do it for a potato.
"Sanity is not statistical." - Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
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What gives you the impression I do? You certainly don't know me!
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I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history. Sure, move software development work to countries where the number of computers in use per 1,000 people was, I think, 10 back in 2003. Not exactly a huge base of experience to work with there. Compare that to the U.S. stat of about 760 per 1,000 back then. That's the lack of thinking I refered to.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history.
There was a major media reporting of that - the reality of jobs actually moving is far different. The reality of doing it successfully is also far different.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history.
There was a major media reporting of that - the reality of jobs actually moving is far different. The reality of doing it successfully is also far different.
Yeah, tell that to the unemployed IT workers, people with degrees, who ended up working for the TSA. I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
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Yeah, tell that to the unemployed IT workers, people with degrees, who ended up working for the TSA. I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
What gives you the impression I do?
Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
jschell wrote:
Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
It's not an opinion piece, it's based on what companies are planning on doing: A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices... Sure it's a survey, but a survey is different from an opinion. Marc
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
That of course doesn't have anything to do with the market as a whole.
Hehe. Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Put "may" or "could be" in a headline and you can say anything. Oh, but they mean a fancy, useless portable device, not a "clunky desktop" which you actually need to do your job. (Unfortunately, developer requirements tend to get mixed in with the average employee requirements at non-software companies.) And do note that this is from Gartner, which is a collection of the dumbest people on the planet. They specialize in having companies pay them lots of money to tell the company what they want to hear. When is the last time Gartner has been right about anything that couldn't have been guessed by the average person?
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Anyone who thinks that I would allow a company's sysadmin to vet my personal property should also be sent to the vet, for purely Darwinian reasons.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hehe. Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
Yes it is always best to ignore evidence and stick with emotions. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/12/28/the-death-of-outsourcing-and-other-it-management-trends/[^]
