It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Yeah, it'll never fly for the great bulk of employees, but I suppose for the hipster douchebags who do sales presentations and want to show off their latest iDung it could be made to work -- anything to keep them out of the office. It reminds me of when my wife worked in a call center and the rule was that they had to read their email each morning, which had to be done at work, but they weren't allowed to do it on company time. The management said it was like McDonald's employees having to put on their uniforms on their own time. They lost the class action suit.
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kmg365 wrote:
Not unreasonable really.
And robots will take over all menial tasks. However in the real world, one must deal with all the non-ideal realities that intrude. Such, for example, the fact that humans are really, really poor at predicting the future especially long term predictions.
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I am already working like this and eventually... you will to.
jschell wrote:
And robots will take over all menial tasks.
No Latvians will[^], and will do it for a potato.
"Sanity is not statistical." - Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
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What gives you the impression I do? You certainly don't know me!
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I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history. Sure, move software development work to countries where the number of computers in use per 1,000 people was, I think, 10 back in 2003. Not exactly a huge base of experience to work with there. Compare that to the U.S. stat of about 760 per 1,000 back then. That's the lack of thinking I refered to.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history.
There was a major media reporting of that - the reality of jobs actually moving is far different. The reality of doing it successfully is also far different.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I refer to the great off-shoring push of software dev, IT and call center work 10+ years ago. Yes, I know off-shoring has been around for decades. But in the early 2000's, there was a major push for off-shoring more than at any other time in U.S. history.
There was a major media reporting of that - the reality of jobs actually moving is far different. The reality of doing it successfully is also far different.
Yeah, tell that to the unemployed IT workers, people with degrees, who ended up working for the TSA. I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
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Yeah, tell that to the unemployed IT workers, people with degrees, who ended up working for the TSA. I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
What gives you the impression I do?
Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
jschell wrote:
Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
It's not an opinion piece, it's based on what companies are planning on doing: A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices... Sure it's a survey, but a survey is different from an opinion. Marc
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I watched dozens of people fall to the axe because of "alternative" resources.
That of course doesn't have anything to do with the market as a whole.
Hehe. Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Put "may" or "could be" in a headline and you can say anything. Oh, but they mean a fancy, useless portable device, not a "clunky desktop" which you actually need to do your job. (Unfortunately, developer requirements tend to get mixed in with the average employee requirements at non-software companies.) And do note that this is from Gartner, which is a collection of the dumbest people on the planet. They specialize in having companies pay them lots of money to tell the company what they want to hear. When is the last time Gartner has been right about anything that couldn't have been guessed by the average person?
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End of the company issued computer[^] A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices — in most cases, this means a smartphone or tablet, but could also mean your work desktop or laptop. So if you need a smartphone for business calls or to work during lunch or an iPad for client meetings or projects, for example, you’ll likely need to buy one or bring your personal device from home, says David Willis, the chief of research for mobility and communications at Gartner. “It’s like how on a construction site you bring your own tools,” he explains. No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane. We clearly live in a poverty economy. No, strike that, we live in an economy where the shareholder and [x]EO's are getting all the benefits, and more things like: To save money, some firms have cut back on free coffee, snacks, and other employee perks. are being "taken away" from the grunt in the office. Pathetic. Mind you, I've actually brought my desktop to several places I've worked because the machine had better performance. Even at Citigroup, my laptop had better performance than the dog-eared machines they gave the devs. I remember one cubicle mate telling me when I asked about how to get a memory upgrade (the workstation they gave me had 2GB) that they wait until someone is terminated and then there's a mad rush to scrounge stuff from the computer. And yes, I indeed did do that. X| All the while reading how the CEO, Vikram Pandit, was getting some multi-million dollar bonus. And that was during the worst of the recession. Marc
Anyone who thinks that I would allow a company's sysadmin to vet my personal property should also be sent to the vet, for purely Darwinian reasons.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hehe. Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
Yes it is always best to ignore evidence and stick with emotions. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/12/28/the-death-of-outsourcing-and-other-it-management-trends/[^]
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Keep believing that. I'll go with my direct experience.
Yes it is always best to ignore evidence and stick with emotions. http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/12/28/the-death-of-outsourcing-and-other-it-management-trends/[^]
OK. I watched a ton of people I worked with (30+) get let go and the very next week, a bunch of Indian faces replaced them. Out of the 200 or so Indians I've worked with in the last 12 years, I can count on 1 hand how many of them actually knew what the Hell they were doing. I'm not talking about doing development work either. I'm talking doing mundane admin tasks, installing Windows, rolling back a virtual machine, installing software for testing on Vista and Win7, testing a newly built installer, ... simple stuff! I shit you not, the Indian guy I replaced at Blue Cross couldn't figure out how to drag and drop to copy a file in Windows! I have 10 eye witnesses to prove it. Please, tell me again how I'm thinking emotionally and ignoring the evidence? Don't get me wrong. I'm not an Indian basher. I bash idiots who have no clue how to teach themselves anything or have any motivation to do so. It doesn't matter if they hold an H1B or not. I've also seen way too many U.S. people who couldn't do the same things. We got rid of one white guy last year because he took 3 months to do a simple setup capture repackage, and never did get it right. I currently work with 5 Indian guys, all of whom know what they're doing in their respective jobs and I appreciate that. I've just seen way, WAY too many who don't.
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OK. I watched a ton of people I worked with (30+) get let go and the very next week, a bunch of Indian faces replaced them. Out of the 200 or so Indians I've worked with in the last 12 years, I can count on 1 hand how many of them actually knew what the Hell they were doing. I'm not talking about doing development work either. I'm talking doing mundane admin tasks, installing Windows, rolling back a virtual machine, installing software for testing on Vista and Win7, testing a newly built installer, ... simple stuff! I shit you not, the Indian guy I replaced at Blue Cross couldn't figure out how to drag and drop to copy a file in Windows! I have 10 eye witnesses to prove it. Please, tell me again how I'm thinking emotionally and ignoring the evidence? Don't get me wrong. I'm not an Indian basher. I bash idiots who have no clue how to teach themselves anything or have any motivation to do so. It doesn't matter if they hold an H1B or not. I've also seen way too many U.S. people who couldn't do the same things. We got rid of one white guy last year because he took 3 months to do a simple setup capture repackage, and never did get it right. I currently work with 5 Indian guys, all of whom know what they're doing in their respective jobs and I appreciate that. I've just seen way, WAY too many who don't.
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
OK. I watched a ton of people I worked with (30+) get let go and the very next week, a bunch of Indian faces replaced them.
I worked for a company that has and does have a very successfully managed outsourcing initiative. The first doesn't mean that every single job will be outsourced. It doesn't mean that many will be. It doesn't mean that those that are will be successful. Matter of fact the very attributes that make that company so successful at outsourcing are the very factors that will make it impossible for most companies to even attempt it and it also diminishes the probability that companies that do try it will be successful.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Out of the 200 or so Indians I've worked with in the last 12 years, I can count on 1 hand how many of them actually knew what the Hell they were doing.
Which has nothing to do with anything previously discussed. Except perhaps to support my contention that most companies that try outsourcing will fail.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I'm talking doing mundane admin tasks, installing Windows, rolling back a virtual machine, installing software for testing on Vista and Win7, testing a newly built installer, ... simple stuff!
When I interview developers I don't care if they know how to do any of that.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Please, tell me again how I'm thinking emotionally and ignoring the evidence?
Because a single case does not lead to the conclusion that the industry will collapse.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
I've just seen way, WAY too many who don't.
And yet you are claiming that all development jobs are going to be replaced by outsourcing? From that it can only following that you are claiming that no software will be ever be developed again in the developed world. And obviously that isn't the case.