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The U.S. is no longer the land of the free

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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    Well at least according to this[^] article it isn't. So my question is: Which country IS the land of the free nowadays? If any. :sigh:

    Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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    Rage
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    Define free.

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      Define free.

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      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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      Ingo
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      Rage wrote:

      Define free.

      Good question! Liberty may vary from your point of view. But I can say, although we are in some areas more free than the US and in others not, I won't call Germany the land of the free. Perhaps Switzerland?

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        Rage wrote:

        Define free.

        Good question! Liberty may vary from your point of view. But I can say, although we are in some areas more free than the US and in others not, I won't call Germany the land of the free. Perhaps Switzerland?

        SharePoint Consultant and Developer at acocon Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem I'm the ninth in a row of seven!

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        ihoecken wrote:

        I won't call Germany the land of the free

        How about Germany being the Land of the Free Internet (for those on the dole)?

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          Rage wrote:

          Define free.

          Good question! Liberty may vary from your point of view. But I can say, although we are in some areas more free than the US and in others not, I won't call Germany the land of the free. Perhaps Switzerland?

          SharePoint Consultant and Developer at acocon Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem I'm the ninth in a row of seven!

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          Jorgen Andersson
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          I would say though that Germany is definitely one of the top contenders for the title. Largely because of history. After the war the constitution and the political system was purpose built to avoid a repetition of history. And it works too. Just go to Brussels (or Washington) and mention the Bundesverfassungsgericht and you will see a lot of people that will spit and swear a lot.

          Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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          • J Jorgen Andersson

            I would say though that Germany is definitely one of the top contenders for the title. Largely because of history. After the war the constitution and the political system was purpose built to avoid a repetition of history. And it works too. Just go to Brussels (or Washington) and mention the Bundesverfassungsgericht and you will see a lot of people that will spit and swear a lot.

            Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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            Ingo
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            Jörgen Andersson wrote:

            I would say though that Germany is definitely one of the top contenders for the title.

            Oh, don't get me wrong, I live here in Germany and I'm glad to live hear. In almost all cases you are free, but there are some cases where free speech isn't allowed because is has something todo with religion, other nations, emancipation.

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              ihoecken wrote:

              I won't call Germany the land of the free

              How about Germany being the Land of the Free Internet (for those on the dole)?

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              Vivic wrote:

              How about Germany being the Land of the Free Internet

              In this field I'm very interested and I think there is freedom.

              SharePoint Consultant and Developer at acocon Author of Primary ROleplaying SysTem I'm the ninth in a row of seven!

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Well at least according to this[^] article it isn't. So my question is: Which country IS the land of the free nowadays? If any. :sigh:

                Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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                Tough question ; what really is freedom?

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                • S sucram

                  When has it ever been? You guys are being governed by installing fear in to mainstream society. Hence the government can make as many draconian laws as they want. Be afraid be very afraid there is a terrorist hiding behind every bush, corner or wherever else that is not in you line of sight. What leaves me gobsmacked in the US public swallows this line hook line and sinker.

                  If only closed minds would come with closed mouths. Ego non sum semper iustus tamen Ego sum nunquam nefas!

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                  When has it ever been?

                  What?

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    Well at least according to this[^] article it isn't. So my question is: Which country IS the land of the free nowadays? If any. :sigh:

                    Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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                    Erudite_Eric
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                    France. You can truly live your life without interfeerence, without being watched, and in a society that says 'live and let live' have as much fun as you want and no one tries to tell you not to. For example a local river, with some damms, has a big no swimming sign up. Its totaly ignored, there are hundreds of people all over the place, on the small beaches formed, swimming, jumping out of trees, cannoing, and so on. No one cares at all. The French own their country. It is divided into communes, with communal forests each administered by the mayoral office, or commune. There is no road tax. Speed limits are almost optional, little traffic and open roads.

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      Well at least according to this[^] article it isn't. So my question is: Which country IS the land of the free nowadays? If any. :sigh:

                      Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! Abraham Lincoln

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                      If a country has a government, they aren't free. The only "free" places I can think of is either Antarctica, or an ocean where you have not crossed a country's international boundary.

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