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jan larsen

Alvaro Mendez wrote: How can you compare a bunch of civilian airliners full of passengers being slammed into civilian buildings during peace time, with military planes bombing military targets during a war? Like this: Both events results in a lot of innocent people dying screaming in a hell of fire and destruction. Both groups will probably talk about 'collateral damage'. Alvaro Mendez wrote: Maybe you forget that part of the reason we're going into Iraq to get rid of the government and actually liberate the oppressed Iraqis. :-) You really believe that, don't you?... If that was the case, why does the US claim friendship with Saudi Arabia?, that regime is just as bad as Saddam. Alvaro Mendez wrote: I'll go on the assumption that you're on the payroll of some well funded leftist organization and that you don't actually believe all the stupid crap you write. He may also be an alien, sent down to destroy the heroic American people. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

Jason Henderson

We give Iraq food.

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Doug Goulden

To many, but a lot fewer than Sadaam has killed .... Or might kill. No one want to hurt or kill innocent civilians. Unfortunately Sadaam and his family aren't very inclined to just leave. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Chris Losinger

Jason Henderson wrote: We give Iraq food we do now, but not even close to enough to prevent millions from starving. *edit* i think we should give food aid to these and other countries. what i don't like is people saying we're going to war with Iraq to ease the suffering of the people - since that's something that doesn't need a war to implement. -c

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KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: To many, but a lot fewer than Sadaam has killed .... Or might kill. No one want to hurt or kill innocent civilians. Unfortunately Sadaam and his family aren't very inclined to just leave. I hope so, but I'm not so sure about it. During the "softening phase", targetting infrastructures, energy plants, transportation means will obligatorily kill civilians. Moreover, once war started we won't have any reliable source anymore. Why not throwing one or two airborne divisions over Bagdad instead?

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Chris Austin

jan larsen wrote: If that was the case, why does the US claim friendship with Saudi Arabia?, that regime is just as bad as Saddam. That is a great tough question. I for one would love to see someone answer this is without the UN resolution bullshit. After all, haven't many other countries ( I know of at least one) been in violation of UN resolutions for a number of years? quorum pars magna fui

KaRl

Alvaro Mendez wrote: Maybe you forget that part of the reason we're going into Iraq to get rid of the government and actually liberate the oppressed Iraqis Excellent joke, I've got to remember it, to tell it later to the Kurds, when they will be denied to create a Kurdistan.

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Doug Goulden

Dropping paratrooper over a city like Bagdad would be suicide. The Iraqis would be shooting our troops as they were dropping. Besides a house to house fight in the city would be a lot more destructive than bombing the infrastructure. Every street every alley would be a killing field. Look at Somalia in Magadishu and the Israeli's in the refugee camps. Innocent civilians are bound to die there. Maybe by attacking the infrastructure and targeting military targets we can reduce Sadaam's support amongst his military. In Desert Storm the Republican guard and the other troops surrendered wholesale. Can you imagine the way those guys must feel right now knowing there fearless leader is setting up for a rematch? Intimidation is almost surely one of the startegies we are going to use. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

KaRl

A "'stalingradization" of the Gulf War 2 is IMO always possible, whatever the means used by the US. After all, Stalin wasn't really beloved by the soviets before the German invasion, and yet the resistance of the soviet people was heroic.

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Chris Losinger

while i think the "Bomb Saddam" bit is silly, i do love those f-22s! (and i still think the f-16 is the coolest looking plane out there) -c

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Doug Goulden

The idea of fighting hand to hand is bad... the ida needs to be to attack Sadaam and his henchmen as much as possible. Regardless though war still sucks and at some point someone ends up dying. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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Chris Losinger wrote: i still think the f-16 is the coolest looking plane out there I'm also a big fan of the SR-71[^] !! Mike Mullikin :beer:

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KaRl

Doug Goulden wrote: Regardless though war still sucks and at some point someone ends up dying. I know! When a war is started it's logical to use any (legal) mean to ensure the victory, I understand that, I'm not dicussing this point. That's also why I'm so reluctant to see the start of a War. It's like smoking , the best way to stop is not to start :)

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Mike Gaskey

Thanks!

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Ooooh yes. Kick ass airplane! I've actually touched the A-12 Blackbird (eventhough you weren't supposed to. :rolleyes:) at the Intrepid[^] Sea-Air-Space Museum in New York. The A-12 is a single seated version of the SR-71. IIRC, the A-12 was build for the navy, while the SR-71 was built for the USAF. I have a picture of myself standing infront of the airplane. Damn I look slick in that picture. Maybe I should scan it and put it on my profile page. :cool: -- Say it darling Doesn’t seem like you want that kind of honey, honey

KaRl

The F16 is quiet beautiful, but for modern planes I would prefer the Gripen and the Rafale :) My favorite US jet fighter will be for a while the Tomcat.

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KaRl

Ah Yes! What a plane!

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Jason Henderson

Chris Losinger wrote: to ease the suffering of the people - since that's something that doesn't need a war to implement. Not necessarily, the UN has allowed Iraq to sell oil for food for a few years now, but Saddam is still letting them starve. Do you really think the NKorean bound food will feed the starving millions? I don't, but its a start and its better than nothing.

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Jason Henderson

I posted the video because it had cool footage of kick butt hardware, but some people seem to think I was making a statement or something based on the song.

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Jason Henderson

I am also a big fan of the Gripen, just because it looks mean.

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