Please fire the person in Microsoft that thought the charms thing is ok
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
I assume whatever server version corresponds to win 8.1 will also get the start button back. While RDP would make them much worse; they suck big time trying to hit them with the cursor using a mouse or trackpad when natively installed. I'm at worst meh on the other 99% of W8's changes but whoever hid the power/reboot/sleep/etc options in the charms on w8 should have his fingers broken.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I assume whatever server version corresponds to win 8.1 will also get the start button back. While RDP would make them much worse; they suck big time trying to hit them with the cursor using a mouse or trackpad when natively installed. I'm at worst meh on the other 99% of W8's changes but whoever hid the power/reboot/sleep/etc options in the charms on w8 should have his fingers broken.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
You realize the start "button" coming back in 8.1 just brings you to the full screen start menu right? I think you can make it semi-transparent but I have 8.1 RC and I can't figure out how to do it. The whole Windows 8 team from concept to marketing needs to be taken out back and shot. ITS A COMPUTER NOT A PHONE PEOPLE, it NEEDS two different UI's, one cannot be comfortably shoe-horned into the other.
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You realize the start "button" coming back in 8.1 just brings you to the full screen start menu right? I think you can make it semi-transparent but I have 8.1 RC and I can't figure out how to do it. The whole Windows 8 team from concept to marketing needs to be taken out back and shot. ITS A COMPUTER NOT A PHONE PEOPLE, it NEEDS two different UI's, one cannot be comfortably shoe-horned into the other.
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
I'm under the belief that due to budget restraint, they wouldn't make separate os from the tablet version. that or out right laziness and hope that we would conform instead of throwing us into the hands of their competitor. In that same breath, ios7 is also another example of "laziness", though I have to admit it's nice that my apple product (ipad2) looks and feels like my z10 blackberry phone :cool: :~
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You realize the start "button" coming back in 8.1 just brings you to the full screen start menu right? I think you can make it semi-transparent but I have 8.1 RC and I can't figure out how to do it. The whole Windows 8 team from concept to marketing needs to be taken out back and shot. ITS A COMPUTER NOT A PHONE PEOPLE, it NEEDS two different UI's, one cannot be comfortably shoe-horned into the other.
Right on the money. The problem with the full screen start menu is that it is horrible. It shows hundreds of things you don't need and can't really group in a nice way. Oh well, I covered it here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/07/windows-8-folders/[^] The problem with Microsoft is that the "me too" strategy worked so well in the past, that they are trying it now again but taking really really bad decisions.
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I hear people say Win 8 isn't bad, it's good once you get used to it... bla bla bla. :doh: Well, I'm still unconvinced and still happy with Win 7
It could be better if the freaking menu was easier to get at. It's not much other than a full screen customizable start menu. It's good enough until you have a mass number of applications you deal with on a regular basis, even then there's a full listing you can get to quickly enough. Just getting to the damn thing is about my only gripe about windows 8 other than the standard having to learn it all over again. It's extra fun on the remote server what with the lag.
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I'm under the belief that due to budget restraint, they wouldn't make separate os from the tablet version. that or out right laziness and hope that we would conform instead of throwing us into the hands of their competitor. In that same breath, ios7 is also another example of "laziness", though I have to admit it's nice that my apple product (ipad2) looks and feels like my z10 blackberry phone :cool: :~
///////////////// -Negative, I am a meat popsicle. Two goldfish in a tank and one says, "how do you drive this thing?"
They don't have enough budget because they spent 8 billion in Skype and several other billion in Nokia? It is a good belief, but I disagree. MS has billions in the bank and if they do it right then they would basically be printing money like with Windows XP. Also Apple built the iPhone with 150 million which is tiny compared to the cash available. Look at the story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/magazine/and-then-steve-said-let-there-be-an-iphone.html[^] Microsoft is failing not because of lack of money or bright minds. They have both... but not making the decisions and taking leadership!
Present anytime, anywhere: www.ccview.me Clipboard in the cloud: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax! And I mostly do in CodeProject and Pluralsight!
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
One assumes Windows-C does not work?
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You realize the start "button" coming back in 8.1 just brings you to the full screen start menu right? I think you can make it semi-transparent but I have 8.1 RC and I can't figure out how to do it. The whole Windows 8 team from concept to marketing needs to be taken out back and shot. ITS A COMPUTER NOT A PHONE PEOPLE, it NEEDS two different UI's, one cannot be comfortably shoe-horned into the other.
I am. Xavier commented on the button not the menu, so that's what I limited my remark to. Other than being gratuitous eye candy on anything other than a fondleslab I don't care about the start screen itself since normally type the name of anything not pined to the task bar anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
Mouse: Point at the top- or bottom-right corners. Keyboard: Press the Windows key + C. I agree that Win8 is not great and I still love Win 7 more than ever but Win8 is not that bad. I installed Start8 and never had problems with Win8 ever again. Give it a try.
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
I agree to you word by word. What the hell has happened to UI design. Especially VS.
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I hear people say Win 8 isn't bad, it's good once you get used to it... bla bla bla. :doh: Well, I'm still unconvinced and still happy with Win 7
If you are on 7 then don't bother upgrading. However the 8 experience isn't bad at all, you even get used to the charms, just wish I had the option to remove metro and all apps. My 8 machine is my dev machine, and I have yet needed a reason for Modern UI or any apps. However we have people in the office that get an windows 8 machine and immediately downgrade, this I think is a mistake. Rather get used to the new, you will need to at some point, and you will soon realize that its not bad at all.
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I am. Xavier commented on the button not the menu, so that's what I limited my remark to. Other than being gratuitous eye candy on anything other than a fondleslab I don't care about the start screen itself since normally type the name of anything not pined to the task bar anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
You have to know the name to type first. Start menu doesn't require this ESP attribute for users.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I'm under the belief that due to budget restraint, they wouldn't make separate os from the tablet version. that or out right laziness and hope that we would conform instead of throwing us into the hands of their competitor. In that same breath, ios7 is also another example of "laziness", though I have to admit it's nice that my apple product (ipad2) looks and feels like my z10 blackberry phone :cool: :~
///////////////// -Negative, I am a meat popsicle. Two goldfish in a tank and one says, "how do you drive this thing?"
No way will I "upgrade" to IOS7 after my experience with IOS6. Why do manufacturers try to dictate to their paying customers? I always vote with my feet.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I assume whatever server version corresponds to win 8.1 will also get the start button back. While RDP would make them much worse; they suck big time trying to hit them with the cursor using a mouse or trackpad when natively installed. I'm at worst meh on the other 99% of W8's changes but whoever hid the power/reboot/sleep/etc options in the charms on w8 should have his fingers broken.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I couldn't agree more. Luckily, with the 8.1 release, MS did re-introduce a keyboard shortcut, I think it was Ctrl-x followed by u and then enter but then again I blew away my Win 8.1 install and went back to good old Johnny Seven.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Mouse: Point at the top- or bottom-right corners. Keyboard: Press the Windows key + C. I agree that Win8 is not great and I still love Win 7 more than ever but Win8 is not that bad. I installed Start8 and never had problems with Win8 ever again. Give it a try.
------------------------------------------------------------------ Life would have been much easier if I had the source-code!!
Windows? How delightfully infra-dig dear boy. :laugh:
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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You have to know the name to type first. Start menu doesn't require this ESP attribute for users.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.