Please fire the person in Microsoft that thought the charms thing is ok
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I hear people say Win 8 isn't bad, it's good once you get used to it... bla bla bla. :doh: Well, I'm still unconvinced and still happy with Win 7
It could be better if the freaking menu was easier to get at. It's not much other than a full screen customizable start menu. It's good enough until you have a mass number of applications you deal with on a regular basis, even then there's a full listing you can get to quickly enough. Just getting to the damn thing is about my only gripe about windows 8 other than the standard having to learn it all over again. It's extra fun on the remote server what with the lag.
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I'm under the belief that due to budget restraint, they wouldn't make separate os from the tablet version. that or out right laziness and hope that we would conform instead of throwing us into the hands of their competitor. In that same breath, ios7 is also another example of "laziness", though I have to admit it's nice that my apple product (ipad2) looks and feels like my z10 blackberry phone :cool: :~
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They don't have enough budget because they spent 8 billion in Skype and several other billion in Nokia? It is a good belief, but I disagree. MS has billions in the bank and if they do it right then they would basically be printing money like with Windows XP. Also Apple built the iPhone with 150 million which is tiny compared to the cash available. Look at the story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/magazine/and-then-steve-said-let-there-be-an-iphone.html[^] Microsoft is failing not because of lack of money or bright minds. They have both... but not making the decisions and taking leadership!
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
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One assumes Windows-C does not work?
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You realize the start "button" coming back in 8.1 just brings you to the full screen start menu right? I think you can make it semi-transparent but I have 8.1 RC and I can't figure out how to do it. The whole Windows 8 team from concept to marketing needs to be taken out back and shot. ITS A COMPUTER NOT A PHONE PEOPLE, it NEEDS two different UI's, one cannot be comfortably shoe-horned into the other.
I am. Xavier commented on the button not the menu, so that's what I limited my remark to. Other than being gratuitous eye candy on anything other than a fondleslab I don't care about the start screen itself since normally type the name of anything not pined to the task bar anyway.
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
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Mouse: Point at the top- or bottom-right corners. Keyboard: Press the Windows key + C. I agree that Win8 is not great and I still love Win 7 more than ever but Win8 is not that bad. I installed Start8 and never had problems with Win8 ever again. Give it a try.
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
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I agree to you word by word. What the hell has happened to UI design. Especially VS.
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I hear people say Win 8 isn't bad, it's good once you get used to it... bla bla bla. :doh: Well, I'm still unconvinced and still happy with Win 7
If you are on 7 then don't bother upgrading. However the 8 experience isn't bad at all, you even get used to the charms, just wish I had the option to remove metro and all apps. My 8 machine is my dev machine, and I have yet needed a reason for Modern UI or any apps. However we have people in the office that get an windows 8 machine and immediately downgrade, this I think is a mistake. Rather get used to the new, you will need to at some point, and you will soon realize that its not bad at all.
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I am. Xavier commented on the button not the menu, so that's what I limited my remark to. Other than being gratuitous eye candy on anything other than a fondleslab I don't care about the start screen itself since normally type the name of anything not pined to the task bar anyway.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
You have to know the name to type first. Start menu doesn't require this ESP attribute for users.
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I'm under the belief that due to budget restraint, they wouldn't make separate os from the tablet version. that or out right laziness and hope that we would conform instead of throwing us into the hands of their competitor. In that same breath, ios7 is also another example of "laziness", though I have to admit it's nice that my apple product (ipad2) looks and feels like my z10 blackberry phone :cool: :~
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No way will I "upgrade" to IOS7 after my experience with IOS6. Why do manufacturers try to dictate to their paying customers? I always vote with my feet.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I assume whatever server version corresponds to win 8.1 will also get the start button back. While RDP would make them much worse; they suck big time trying to hit them with the cursor using a mouse or trackpad when natively installed. I'm at worst meh on the other 99% of W8's changes but whoever hid the power/reboot/sleep/etc options in the charms on w8 should have his fingers broken.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I couldn't agree more. Luckily, with the 8.1 release, MS did re-introduce a keyboard shortcut, I think it was Ctrl-x followed by u and then enter but then again I blew away my Win 8.1 install and went back to good old Johnny Seven.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Mouse: Point at the top- or bottom-right corners. Keyboard: Press the Windows key + C. I agree that Win8 is not great and I still love Win 7 more than ever but Win8 is not that bad. I installed Start8 and never had problems with Win8 ever again. Give it a try.
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Windows? How delightfully infra-dig dear boy. :laugh:
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
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I agree. Their UI designs have been ranging from weird to downright unintuitive since about a while now. Ribbons (controversial, but I despise it), removal of start button (WTF), SCREAMING MENU ITEMS in VS, the colour scheme of VS (makes my eyes bleed), and things like what you pointed out. Someone at MS really hasn't taken into account that it's the small things that matter.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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You have to know the name to type first. Start menu doesn't require this ESP attribute for users.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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I agree to you word by word. What the hell has happened to UI design. Especially VS.
It's not only VS... MS Office has also begun shouting at me...
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Try finding a budget holder who'll put a touch screen on a server. Most of them are too cheap. Although I can accept that using a computer with a touch screen over remote desktop might work. Who here has a touch screen on the computer they use to remote admin their server? I keep wishing you could use Kinect for PC the same as a touch screen and with the same gestures. Could be fun. I could sit in front of a 40" screen and wave my arms about. :laugh:
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One assumes Windows-C does not work?
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Yep it does.
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Try finding a budget holder who'll put a touch screen on a server. Most of them are too cheap. Although I can accept that using a computer with a touch screen over remote desktop might work. Who here has a touch screen on the computer they use to remote admin their server? I keep wishing you could use Kinect for PC the same as a touch screen and with the same gestures. Could be fun. I could sit in front of a 40" screen and wave my arms about. :laugh:
I can agree on that sentiment, but the attack was launched at the general UI design. Servers should stay servers. No way around that. However, seriously, try Windows 8.1 on a tablet/touchscreen. I find myself reaching for my desktop pc's screen more often than not these days, then disappointingly realizing that it doesn't support touch. Don't diss MS on this. Trust them, respond to them, give them time. They do listen, at least, unlike Apple etc. They brought back Start. They released RTM early. They will get there.
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
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Doh! You're complaining because the charms bar is too hard to open?? I'm complaining because it's too damned EASY to open. I work in VS most of the day, using a laptop with a couple of screens. I have a mouse as well as my laptop's mousepad. I prefer to use the mouse but when I need to do some straight coding, I move the mouse well out of the way of the laptop keyboard, and this simple movement (that I've been making for years without problem) now results in the pointer going to the bottom right of screen and the bloody charms thing popping up, HIDING what I'm working on. I then need to alt-tab to get it back. But instinctively while my right hand is moving the mouse, my left is already starting to type, so I lose characters, or send them to the wrong app, or.. aagghhhhhhhh. This probably happens to me 30 - 40 times a day and it's driving me up the wall. Not charms, but a curse. :( :mad: :wtf:
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I have a quick test that the person that thought of, designed or approved the Windows 8 charms should take. Test: make them sit down in a computer, open terminal server and get into a Windows Server 2012 machine. Now ask them to try to show the charms bar instantly with the mouse 10 out of 10 times. It is not possible or you would have to be a ninja to do it consistently. If they fail, fire them! (Did Ballmer take the test?) Most people are not ninjas therefore it is not a nice user experience. Start button was way better. People need immediate reaction for an action, not guessing which one is the exact pixel to stand on top of. Make it simple, have a reaction for an action. Still want to get rid of the start button? Make a little triangle in the corner to fire it up. (You can also fix the screen with the apps but that is a separate topic) Make this the action that as a reaction Nonsense… You can see with pictures here: http://www.xaviermorera.com/2013/10/please-fire-the-person-in-microsoft-that-thought-the-charms-thing-is-ok/[^]
My new toy: www.cloudclipx.com -- If I have 8 hours to chop down a tree, I spend 6 sharpening my ax!
I assume you have a keyboard. Windows-C gets you to the charms fast. I can find no use-case for going back to anything as clunky as the Start Menu or any new pretenders such as Start-88. I have arranged the Start Page to suit my usage eg most frequently required on the left - sensible groupings - eliminating links to unused programs. Also put frequently used desktop programs as shortcuts on desktop. The beauty of Windows has always been its configurability. For rarely used programs, such as regedit, I resort to the Windows-R Run option. I spend 90% of my time in (on?) the desktop but find no issue in dropping into the start page if need be - the transition is so quick and fluid - especially using wheel-mouse (this was even the case with an old laptop with only 512MB of RAM). Other people mention the (shouting) caps menus in VS and Office. They do look bad but these are easily fixed and converted to lowercase and all is well. I have used every version of Windows since Windows 1. Favourites 3.1, 98, XP, 7, and 8. (By the way I also use Mac OSX, IOS7, and Android).