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  • C Christopher Duncan

    Yeah, it was not only well written but also well edited. And trust me, having just wrapped up two books in the past few months, you have no idea how important it is to have a good editor (which I happily did). I think the missing manual series has a really good team.

    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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    Christopher Duncan wrote:

    And trust me, having just wrapped up two books in the past few months, you have no idea how important it is to have a good editor

    Yeah I could imagine you would be sensitive to that. It's always nice to read a book that's accurate and grammatically pleasing. :)

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    • C Christopher Duncan

      I got this one for JQuery: JQuery Compressed[^]. Haven't started it yet so I can't speak to the quality. Would be interested in what you come up with. A glance at the TOC seems to indicate that JQuery isn't a terribly deep subject.

      Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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      Marc Clifton
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      Christopher Duncan wrote:

      A glance at the TOC seems to indicate that JQuery isn't a terribly deep subject.

      It may not be terribly deep, but being rather clueless about it at the moment, it looks like a vast uncharted ocean. :) Marc

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      • C Christopher Duncan

        I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

        Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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        thx for sharing, I might just buy this book :) I think it's the same for me, I just figure out how to get something to look like the way I want, and move on without caring about css organization, structure, maintainability, etc... pretty bad I know...

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        • M Mike Hankey

          Most books I've read like that are VERY dry reading and mainly used as reference. I've run into the same problem with Photoshop, I'm on about my 5th one and it is of the "...missing manual" name/type also and is a very good book.

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          Mike, for PhotoShop, try Deke McClelland's "PhotoShop One-on-One" books (his latest in the series is for PhotoShop CS5, and was published in 2010): [^]. bill

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          • C Christopher Duncan

            I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

            Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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            Septimus Hedgehog
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            Thanks for the heads-up on those. I'm going to order the CSS3 and HTML5 books.:thumbsup: I have a couple of the "missing manual" books at home. They're nice quality and unlike those sell-by-the-pound books we're use to seeing, it's nice to see books that don't buckle the bookshelf. :)

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              Mike, for PhotoShop, try Deke McClelland's "PhotoShop One-on-One" books (his latest in the series is for PhotoShop CS5, and was published in 2010): [^]. bill

              Google CEO, Erich Schmidt: "I keep asking for a product called Serendipity. This product would have access to everything ever written or recorded, know everything the user ever worked on and saved to his or her personal hard drive, and know a whole lot about the user's tastes, friends and predilections." 2004, USA Today interview

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              Thanks Bill I'll give it a look. I have CS6 but there's not that much difference and there may be an update.

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              • M Mike Hankey

                Christopher Duncan wrote:

                And trust me, having just wrapped up two books in the past few months, you have no idea how important it is to have a good editor

                Yeah I could imagine you would be sensitive to that. It's always nice to read a book that's accurate and grammatically pleasing. :)

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                There are actually a couple of editors on a book, who serve different purposes. Jeff Olson was the editor for both books. The editor is the person in charge who oversees the project, making sure the concept is good, all the chapters work well together and that it's a coherent bit of work. He also happens to be the executive editor of the business division overall, so I was lucky to get him on my team. Cleaning up my dubious grasp of the English language fell to Jana Weinstein, my copy editor. She's the one who kept me from looking stupid in public. No small task. :-D Rita Fernando was the project manager who kept the wheels on the wagon and made sure everything was taken care of and delivered on time. Publishers usually take a year or so to release a new title. These guys got two books on the streets in six months. There were other bits ilke indexing, compositing, etc. but these three were the team that I interacted with as I wrote them. I'm sure you've been on bad software projects before, so you can imagine how much I appreciated having top flight people to work with. Lots of fun. I'd work with these guys again in a heartbeat.

                Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                • M Marc Clifton

                  Christopher Duncan wrote:

                  A glance at the TOC seems to indicate that JQuery isn't a terribly deep subject.

                  It may not be terribly deep, but being rather clueless about it at the moment, it looks like a vast uncharted ocean. :) Marc

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                  Yeah, I can dig it. That's why I've had my nose buried in books for MVC, JQuery, CSS, etc. the past couple of weeks. After so many years in this business, it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it? :)

                  Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                  • S Silvabolt

                    thx for sharing, I might just buy this book :) I think it's the same for me, I just figure out how to get something to look like the way I want, and move on without caring about css organization, structure, maintainability, etc... pretty bad I know...

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                    Yeah, I figured since MVC gives you so much more control over the markup I should, you know, maybe learn something about it. :)

                    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                    • S Septimus Hedgehog

                      Thanks for the heads-up on those. I'm going to order the CSS3 and HTML5 books.:thumbsup: I have a couple of the "missing manual" books at home. They're nice quality and unlike those sell-by-the-pound books we're use to seeing, it's nice to see books that don't buckle the bookshelf. :)

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                      And of course, thanks to eBooks, my shelves don't creak nearly as much as they used to. I have books on my shelves that have been there for 30 years, like Richard Bach's Illusions. I have zero confidence that an eBook I buy today will still be available to me three decades from now, so if it's something timeless I still buy it in paper. Tech books, on the other hand, have a shelf life that can be measured with an egg timer. Can't count how many I've thrown out, or how much bitching and moaning I've endured from my non-geek friends about having to move boxes of heavy books. So, the geek stuff I buy on Kindle. Best of both worlds. :)

                      Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                      • C Christopher Duncan

                        I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

                        Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                        My problem with most computer books is they spend way too much time hyping the topic and assuming you are a moron, though I have found most O'Reilly books pretty good in general, with the Nutshell series being especially so.

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                          My problem with most computer books is they spend way too much time hyping the topic and assuming you are a moron, though I have found most O'Reilly books pretty good in general, with the Nutshell series being especially so.

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                          Christopher Duncan
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                          Nutshell books are consistently good and it seems like that's the case with the missing manual series as well. I just bought the worst tech book I've ever purchased in this batch as well, an html book that I thought was going to cover basics for techies from looking at the overview. Instead, it has lots of puppies and cutesy images for the "I know you think computers are scary, but here's how to make a web page" crowd. Makes me appreciate O'Reilly ever so much more.

                          Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                          • C Christopher Duncan

                            I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

                            Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                            His earlier book was great. I'll have to pick up the new version!

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                            • C Christopher Duncan

                              Yeah, I can dig it. That's why I've had my nose buried in books for MVC, JQuery, CSS, etc. the past couple of weeks. After so many years in this business, it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it? :)

                              Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                              Christopher Duncan wrote:

                              it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it?

                              To some extent. Unfortunately, my entry into this has been to work with other people's code in fairly large applications, which means walking into poorly designed and poorly documented vats of spaghetti code. One of the projects (a Ruby on Rails project) added the additional complexity layers of Slim (actually a very nice way of working with HTML and metadata) and SASS (actually also a very nice way of working with CSS.) It's been an incredibly frustrating experience. On the other hand, I've started writing a RoR site for navigating SQL Server databases, I call it the "Spider UI", and decided to take on SASS and SLIM on my own. What I discovered is that it is CRITICAL to explain the intention behind the markup and the CSS. I'll give you an example: SLIM (slimmed down HTML):

                              - # table navigation
                              .navigation
                              fieldset
                              legend Navigation:
                              br
                              = f.submit("Show All Records", name: 'navigate_show_all')
                              br
                              - # Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded.
                              .nav_options
                              br Navigate to parent:
                              = select_tag "cbParents", options_from_collection_for_select(@parent_tables, 'id', 'name')
                              = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_parent')
                              br Navigate to child:
                              = select_tag "cbChildren", options_from_collection_for_select(@child_tables, 'id', 'name')
                              = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_child')

                              SASS:

                              .navigation
                              float: left
                              width: 200px
                              height: 600px
                              padding-top: 23px
                              padding-left: 20px
                              fieldset
                              width: 240px
                              height: 592px
                              /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */
                              .nav_options
                              select
                              width: 80%
                              margin-bottom: 15px
                              input
                              margin-left: 5px

                              Notice that I put in a comment: /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */ in both to explain why I have a separate div. It's stuff like that that drives me nuts when taking on existing web-apps and there's absolutely no comments to convey the intention of the markup. Another thing that has made working with legacy code complicated is the arcane and idiomatic usage of Ruby. For example, tell me what this does:

                              Hash[keys.zip values]

                              You probably have no clue, and neither would I. Now, tell me what this does:

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                                I've been hacking my way through CSS for years, just dealing with whatever the problem at hand was and moving on, so I wanted to go back to basics. Made it through this in one day and found it nicely done. CSS3: The Missing Manual[^] (David Sawyer McFarland). I bought it because it wasn't CSS3 specific. It covers CSS in general, breaks out CSS3 and HTML5 so you can easily skip past if you're not supporting them, and has a nice organization & flow to it. I don't know the guy, but I've slogged through many a geek book that ended up being 30 pages of information, jam packed into a 500 page tome (tech books are typically sold by the pound). When I bump into one that's clean and well written, I figure I should share it with the rest of the class.

                                Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                                RefugeeFromSlashDot
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                                Too bad it's not on Books24x7.

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                                  Too bad it's not on Books24x7.

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                                  If you prefer eBooks you can always just buy the Kindle version. That's the version I bought. You don't have to own the device. The Kindle reader software is available free for pretty much every computer, tablet and smart phone out there.

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                                    If you prefer eBooks you can always just buy the Kindle version. That's the version I bought. You don't have to own the device. The Kindle reader software is available free for pretty much every computer, tablet and smart phone out there.

                                    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                                    This is true, but my employer pays for everyone to have a books24x7 subscription, so I was hoping to be able to read it at no cost to me.

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                                      This is true, but my employer pays for everyone to have a books24x7 subscription, so I was hoping to be able to read it at no cost to me.

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                                      Hey, if you can get someone else to pony up for your tech books that's an excellent gig. That said, if you do end up adding it to your own collection, it's fifteen bucks well spent. I wouldn't recommend it if you're already strong in CSS and just want the CSS3 stuff as that's a very small portion of the book, but if like me you want to get a refresher on the basics, it's a solid read.

                                      Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                                        Christopher Duncan wrote:

                                        it's kinda nice to start out knowing nothing, ain't it?

                                        To some extent. Unfortunately, my entry into this has been to work with other people's code in fairly large applications, which means walking into poorly designed and poorly documented vats of spaghetti code. One of the projects (a Ruby on Rails project) added the additional complexity layers of Slim (actually a very nice way of working with HTML and metadata) and SASS (actually also a very nice way of working with CSS.) It's been an incredibly frustrating experience. On the other hand, I've started writing a RoR site for navigating SQL Server databases, I call it the "Spider UI", and decided to take on SASS and SLIM on my own. What I discovered is that it is CRITICAL to explain the intention behind the markup and the CSS. I'll give you an example: SLIM (slimmed down HTML):

                                        - # table navigation
                                        .navigation
                                        fieldset
                                        legend Navigation:
                                        br
                                        = f.submit("Show All Records", name: 'navigate_show_all')
                                        br
                                        - # Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded.
                                        .nav_options
                                        br Navigate to parent:
                                        = select_tag "cbParents", options_from_collection_for_select(@parent_tables, 'id', 'name')
                                        = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_parent')
                                        br Navigate to child:
                                        = select_tag "cbChildren", options_from_collection_for_select(@child_tables, 'id', 'name')
                                        = f.submit("Go", name: 'navigate_to_child')

                                        SASS:

                                        .navigation
                                        float: left
                                        width: 200px
                                        height: 600px
                                        padding-top: 23px
                                        padding-left: 20px
                                        fieldset
                                        width: 240px
                                        height: 592px
                                        /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */
                                        .nav_options
                                        select
                                        width: 80%
                                        margin-bottom: 15px
                                        input
                                        margin-left: 5px

                                        Notice that I put in a comment: /* Separate div because 'Go' buttons are left padded. */ in both to explain why I have a separate div. It's stuff like that that drives me nuts when taking on existing web-apps and there's absolutely no comments to convey the intention of the markup. Another thing that has made working with legacy code complicated is the arcane and idiomatic usage of Ruby. For example, tell me what this does:

                                        Hash[keys.zip values]

                                        You probably have no clue, and neither would I. Now, tell me what this does:

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                                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                                        For example, tell me what this does:

                                        I believe in some states it gives you legal grounds for homicide. This is one of the reasons I prefer desktop or system programming to web development, even though I do mostly the latter these days. There's no reason you can't write pro quality code, but it's very common to see amateurish stuff in client side markup and scripting. Almost a web tradition. I guess because it was easy for people to fire up Front Page, go into the html to add a "blink" attribute and then say, "Look, mommy, I'm a programmer!". Don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of crappy application code too, but the guys who come up via the traditional route tend to have a lot more discipline and, in my opinion, professionalism. They've also lived long enough to know what happens to guys who write code like that.

                                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                                        (yet another lengthy reply to Christopher - what is it about your posts that get me going???)

                                        Probably because we've both been through the wars. :-D

                                        Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                                          Hey, if you can get someone else to pony up for your tech books that's an excellent gig. That said, if you do end up adding it to your own collection, it's fifteen bucks well spent. I wouldn't recommend it if you're already strong in CSS and just want the CSS3 stuff as that's a very small portion of the book, but if like me you want to get a refresher on the basics, it's a solid read.

                                          Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers (2nd ed, just released) Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living With Your Creativity (Due Nov 2013) The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World

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                                          I do web UI stuff so infrequently that it sounds like a good book. Thanks for the recommendation.

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