Sure it's a publicity stunt
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So Windows 9 will lose the user-unfriendly aspects of Win 8, in favour of user hostile? No more *beep* when you press the wrong button, the OS calls in an air strike... It's a good idea - but I suspect you're right about the publicity stunt aspect rather than real work for most of them. Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him?
Ok, I'll bite - I'm pretty sure most of them have learned to follow procedures - so, some of them might turn out a lot better than you might expect ... if one out of ten have the natural bent required for our glorious occupation, they will certainly make up for those who don't.
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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But it's a publicity stunt with a great reason and output: Microsoft giving away free IT training -- and a job -- to soldiers[^] On Monday, Microsoft said it will offer a free 16-week IT course for soldiers transitioning out of the military into civilian life—with a guaranteed job at the end of it.
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Whatever it is it will be a big help to the soldiers transitioning out of the service, especially those that have families.
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him?
Ok, I'll bite - I'm pretty sure most of them have learned to follow procedures - so, some of them might turn out a lot better than you might expect ... if one out of ten have the natural bent required for our glorious occupation, they will certainly make up for those who don't.
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
You don't go near QA that often, do you? :laugh:
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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So Windows 9 will lose the user-unfriendly aspects of Win 8, in favour of user hostile? No more *beep* when you press the wrong button, the OS calls in an air strike... It's a good idea - but I suspect you're right about the publicity stunt aspect rather than real work for most of them. Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
First of course there is the fact that they are going to be hired as software testers not developers. Second of course how is that different, than for example hiring someone with a English degree to do it? Or hiring a number of 'interns' over several years without supervision and all with just a few years of college and none of which spends more than a couple of years on the project? Or the expectation that one can hire a college graduate, who has an engineering degree, but no real work experience and expect them to take on developer roles, again with little or no supervision (and no coherent process control either.) I have certainly seen all of those either in practice or discussed and they can in fact produce something that is usable. Or not. Third do you have a technical requirement that will in fact guarantee that a developer will not only succeed but do so with excellence? If so I would certainly like to hear about it.
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So Windows 9 will lose the user-unfriendly aspects of Win 8, in favour of user hostile? No more *beep* when you press the wrong button, the OS calls in an air strike... It's a good idea - but I suspect you're right about the publicity stunt aspect rather than real work for most of them. Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
I agree that it seems like a good thing they're doing. Obviously they're doing it at least partly for their own reasons, but, hopefully some of those jobs turn into long term careers for the soldiers.
OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
On a side note, since when do software testers write code?
Quote via linked article:
At the end of the course, Microsoft said, participants will be hired as software testers
"The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women's fashion. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about. What is it? It's complete gibberish. It's insane. When is this idiocy going to stop?" -- Oracle CEO Larry Ellison
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So Windows 9 will lose the user-unfriendly aspects of Win 8, in favour of user hostile? No more *beep* when you press the wrong button, the OS calls in an air strike... It's a good idea - but I suspect you're right about the publicity stunt aspect rather than real work for most of them. Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
Given that they'd had military training? Sure would. I have no doubt it would beat lots of the craptastic code we get from external consultants today.
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You don't go near QA that often, do you? :laugh:
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
OriginalGriff wrote:
You don't go near QA that often, do you?
Not as often as I used to, I don't think it's just me - but I find that most of the questions can be easily answered by just pasting the heading into google search. I know we used to joke about it, but now there seems to be little else. I did answer a question yesterday, but then I was waiting for my flight - so I had little else to do ... I don't think any of those particular questions are made by ex-military, it seems most of them are made by undergraduate students too lazy to even scan the frontpage of a book ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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Whatever it is it will be a big help to the soldiers transitioning out of the service, especially those that have families.
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright
Not having served myself I am making some large assumptions but I would think the discipline and training required to become a soldier would be a great basis for the structured thinking required. The initiative required would help with analysis - I think it is a great idea and based on some sound thinking. Then again there are some pretty bright people in the forces.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Not having served myself I am making some large assumptions but I would think the discipline and training required to become a soldier would be a great basis for the structured thinking required. The initiative required would help with analysis - I think it is a great idea and based on some sound thinking. Then again there are some pretty bright people in the forces.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I'm thinking that a programmer is like a musician you either have the skills or you don't schooling helps bring out the inner talent. But many people don't know they have the talent until they take some training, that's what happened to me I had no idea I had the aptitude. The services are all different and all have different levels of discipline and as far as training it depends on what your MOS, field you're in. For instance my brother was in the USAF and there is little or no discipline you kinda do your own thing, but I was in the USMC and it has a very rigid regiment. You just never know about people!
VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard. -Steven Wright
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OriginalGriff wrote:
You don't go near QA that often, do you?
Not as often as I used to, I don't think it's just me - but I find that most of the questions can be easily answered by just pasting the heading into google search. I know we used to joke about it, but now there seems to be little else. I did answer a question yesterday, but then I was waiting for my flight - so I had little else to do ... I don't think any of those particular questions are made by ex-military, it seems most of them are made by undergraduate students too lazy to even scan the frontpage of a book ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Espen Harlinn wrote:
scan the frontpage of a book
Book? What new devilish concepts are you trying to spread? You Sir are a heretic that must be burned at the stake for spreading this kind of heresy. Burn! Books, pah, the work of the devil, I say!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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You don't go near QA that often, do you? :laugh:
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
That's populated by the other nine in ten.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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But it's a publicity stunt with a great reason and output: Microsoft giving away free IT training -- and a job -- to soldiers[^] On Monday, Microsoft said it will offer a free 16-week IT course for soldiers transitioning out of the military into civilian life—with a guaranteed job at the end of it.
-------------- TTFN - Kent
Does this mean thaty there will finally be an FPS where you don't need to use eleven fingers, three toes, your nose, and the dog's left ear to aim and fire a gun? "Hey, Man, pointin' an' shootin' ain't that hard!"
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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But it's a publicity stunt with a great reason and output: Microsoft giving away free IT training -- and a job -- to soldiers[^] On Monday, Microsoft said it will offer a free 16-week IT course for soldiers transitioning out of the military into civilian life—with a guaranteed job at the end of it.
-------------- TTFN - Kent
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But it's a publicity stunt with a great reason and output: Microsoft giving away free IT training -- and a job -- to soldiers[^] On Monday, Microsoft said it will offer a free 16-week IT course for soldiers transitioning out of the military into civilian life—with a guaranteed job at the end of it.
-------------- TTFN - Kent
I'm walking backwards for Christmas! :laugh:
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Oh, I dunno...it gives us a chance to get a few...um...ideas in there...:InnocentWhistleSmiley:
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
Like building a Codeproject ATF (Anti Troll Force)? :laugh:
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I agree that it seems like a good thing they're doing. Obviously they're doing it at least partly for their own reasons, but, hopefully some of those jobs turn into long term careers for the soldiers.
OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
On a side note, since when do software testers write code?
Quote via linked article:
At the end of the course, Microsoft said, participants will be hired as software testers
"The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women's fashion. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about. What is it? It's complete gibberish. It's insane. When is this idiocy going to stop?" -- Oracle CEO Larry Ellison
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So Windows 9 will lose the user-unfriendly aspects of Win 8, in favour of user hostile? No more *beep* when you press the wrong button, the OS calls in an air strike... It's a good idea - but I suspect you're right about the publicity stunt aspect rather than real work for most of them. Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger. English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
You might be on to something... I'm seeing a 'Premium' add on for MS Security Essentials that not only clears/quarantines the virus, it launches a strike on the command and control servers.
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But it's a publicity stunt with a great reason and output: Microsoft giving away free IT training -- and a job -- to soldiers[^] On Monday, Microsoft said it will offer a free 16-week IT course for soldiers transitioning out of the military into civilian life—with a guaranteed job at the end of it.
-------------- TTFN - Kent
This was my idea! I tried to offer free coding lessons to soldiers on craigslist. 0 responses but still...maybe ill repost it.
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This was my idea! I tried to offer free coding lessons to soldiers on craigslist. 0 responses but still...maybe ill repost it.
Are you sure you were offering coding lessons? Maybe you typed coddling lessons? Or maybe you should type it that way, and you'll get some responses. :-D
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him? X|
First of course there is the fact that they are going to be hired as software testers not developers. Second of course how is that different, than for example hiring someone with a English degree to do it? Or hiring a number of 'interns' over several years without supervision and all with just a few years of college and none of which spends more than a couple of years on the project? Or the expectation that one can hire a college graduate, who has an engineering degree, but no real work experience and expect them to take on developer roles, again with little or no supervision (and no coherent process control either.) I have certainly seen all of those either in practice or discussed and they can in fact produce something that is usable. Or not. Third do you have a technical requirement that will in fact guarantee that a developer will not only succeed but do so with excellence? If so I would certainly like to hear about it.
