Dumbing down
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I've been against it since it first appeared. Utterly ridiculous concept.
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I have never liked the Q&A format and from some of the other comments here I realised when I do wander in there I never read the detail of an answered question whereas in the forums I will almost always read through the answers to see if there was something I can use/learn or if I can add something or even be amused by.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I know what you mean. It seems like the people who used to ask us to do their homework for them have now graduated, got a job, and are now asking us to do their work for them! X|
Far too many forum posts:
I need to do this project. Here's the list of requirements. Send me teh codez - itz urgent!
Also, what's with the increasing number of questions which come with code samples that are susceptible to SQL Injection? Is every student now taking a course on "how to get hacked in 20 minutes or less"?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Say Goodbye to free answers ... Or, "I can write the necessary code WAY faster if I know the context. So please 7zip the complete source of the project, and send it to me, together with the name of the company you're working for, and the name of the company that ordered the project."
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Say Goodbye to free answers ... Or, "I can write the necessary code WAY faster if I know the context. So please 7zip the complete source of the project, and send it to me, together with the name of the company you're working for, and the name of the company that ordered the project."
The problem is that many of the worst questions come from people who don't have any source code. They've been hired to write some code, don't know where to start, and want someone else to do it all for them. There's nothing wrong with not knowing where to start and asking for guidance. There's nothing wrong with getting stuck and asking for help with a specific problem. But if you're just going to dump your requirements on someone else and expect them to do the work you're getting paid to do for you FoC, that's a problem.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Funny you should bring this up. I've relatively recently become a bit addicted to answering the Q/A's. Your grid-comment is certainly on target and it was good to know that someone else noticed oh-so-many of them - I was beginning to feel well out of the mainstream. The way I usually try to answer, however, rarely gives an answer (aside from spotting a bug). Often I'll try to guide them in a different manner of laying out their logic - but let them do the work. Oddly, it's the same way I handled (the rare) homework questions for my kids: I'll teach you what you need to do. Perhaps if we treat the do-it-for-me group as we would trolls they'll just fade away.
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Unfortunately that's not exclusive of Code Project's Q/A, I see pretty much the same behavior on StackOverflow, where 9 out of 10 questions (specially HTML/CSS/JavaScript ones) can be trivially answered by a quick search on Google, the site or even firing the Debug Tools on question. As a side note, I believe that a hard forum or Q and A format doesn't fit all questions, a mix of the two could be better (like on social.msdn.com).
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I have only used it one time; and it was a messup. I didn't know it was a one way set up to process the results; oh, don't ever answer your own question; bad bery bery bad :wtf: I think it's about the points the big boys get tally's and seeing their names on the page. I usually do the unlimited searches with all different engines. This is how I did my homework and is how I do my job. Rarely I have had to ask anyone on the internet how to do anything; there is already a similar solution out there somewhere that one can learn from and develop it to work in their favor. I also would like to see just an open forum where discussions are 'technical' and debates can happen, without insults or the ' I told ya so' attitudes. But, this is the internet where everyone can be an idiot and a genius at the same time. :cool:
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I don't visit the C# Q/As and forums so much these days. Sorry to say I rather preferred things before the Q/As arrived. It was good because sometimes I could help and sometimes I could learn from others, and sometimes you could debate. But these days (especially today) it seems to be people just demanding answers on how to do things without any element of trying to understand it themselves. Either that or some question about how to get something in or out of an ASP grid control. What happened to the "I've done this, I expect it to work can anyone help me see what I've got wrong?" questions? I hope this doesn't reflect where the industry is going as a whole.
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
What happened to the "
You mean that sometime in the past your perception was that the questions were different? There could be many reasons for that. One of course is the fact that it is very likely that you have changed - not the questions. The questions that seem "easy" to you now are only easy because you now have the knowledge. So they seem easy where in the past they didn't. This of course might not be the complete explanation but it certainly a possibility. Another reason would be that the culture of computer communications has changed and is changing. It wasn't that long ago that one didn't ask questions on a forum unless one already had some degree of technical knowledge. Contrast that with now where the vast majority of people do not have that knowledge but when they want to acquire that knowledge they don't start with a book or class but rather go directly to online sources. Another reason is that there are many more broad areas where one might need only a small bit of knowledge at at in frequent basis where in the past there were very few areas. So although one might have a deep knowledge in several areas there are at least a magnitude of other areas where one might need to solve problems and yet not have time to learn the topic deeply.
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I know what you mean. It seems like the people who used to ask us to do their homework for them have now graduated, got a job, and are now asking us to do their work for them! X|
Far too many forum posts:
I need to do this project. Here's the list of requirements. Send me teh codez - itz urgent!
Also, what's with the increasing number of questions which come with code samples that are susceptible to SQL Injection? Is every student now taking a course on "how to get hacked in 20 minutes or less"?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Is every student now taking a course on "how to get hacked in 20 minutes or less"?
That is why I added my upvote! Just read a 4 year old article on how to do user/password interface. I read the process used... GAACCKK One of the comments said "Obviously this won't work in ASP.NET" I couldn't believe the number of "How can I get it to work in ASP.NET?" Basically, "How can I set the focus on a field in a web form?", but without understanding that's what it is doing, but on a windows form TextBox object. I have to admit, I learned C# in 2004, wrote an ASP.NET app in 2005 and haven't touched ASP.NET since, so I don't remember the answer, but if I was working in ASP.NET today, that would just be part of my general knowledge. On second thought, I think they read that comment and didn't even try to figure out what the code was doing and wanted the whole code re-written in ASP.NET format without even realizing he had just given part of the code he used. I don't even know if the author knew his code was missing the drag and drop portion of a windows form design. I just assumed he did.
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Say Goodbye to free answers ... Or, "I can write the necessary code WAY faster if I know the context. So please 7zip the complete source of the project, and send it to me, together with the name of the company you're working for, and the name of the company that ordered the project."
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The problem is that many of the worst questions come from people who don't have any source code. They've been hired to write some code, don't know where to start, and want someone else to do it all for them. There's nothing wrong with not knowing where to start and asking for guidance. There's nothing wrong with getting stuck and asking for help with a specific problem. But if you're just going to dump your requirements on someone else and expect them to do the work you're getting paid to do for you FoC, that's a problem.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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There is an amazing number of meanings for FoC, but I assume you meant the best "in this context" meaning: "Free of Charge" (I was expecting a nasty description of the person doing the asking.)
KP Lee wrote:
Free of Charge
Correct. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
