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  • A Argonia

    At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

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    I suppose you dislike it because of your C++ background. You cannot pretend C# having the same 'behaviour' of C++, it is a different language. It lacks several C++ features but has many, many ones missing in C++. You need just to get used at it (and remember it is just a toy language, after all :-D ).

    Veni, vidi, vici.

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    • A Argonia

      At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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      Most C++ programmers starting with C# like it. Maybe you don't like C++?

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        I never quite understand people who say "I hate this language because it does, or does not do, X (which is a feature of a different language)". Accept it for what it is and use its features the way they are intended. C# is a great language for developing code, but it is not the universal panacea that some would wish.

        Veni, vidi, abiit domum

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        Totally agree. :thumbsup:

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        • A Argonia

          At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

          Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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          Pete OHanlon
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          Before I used C#, I used C and then C++ for a very long time. When I moved to C#, it took a lot of time to adjust to the way it works, but once I did, I found that it was a great language to use. If you want to be bigoted and only look for reasons to dislike languages, then you are never going to grow as a developer. If you take the time to try and understand the way that different languages work, you will grow as a developer. Currently, I'm looking into Haskell - it's a huge mind-shift for me, and I'm finding that it's opening up new ways of thinking for developing in other languages just because of that mind-shift.

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          • A Argonia

            At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

            Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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            Downsides of C#: 1. The generics in C# are far from as powerful and versatile as the templates in C++. 2. The garbage collection (even with IDisposable and "using") means RAII can't be used effectively in C#. Apart from that, I quite like the language. In my current role, the C++:C# split is about 60:40, and I'm fine with that. I wouldn't consider using C++ for a GUI application, while C# is great for that.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              I like it. If you stop thinking "cut down C++" and consider it as a separate language in it's own right, it is very good - in some ways a lot better than C++ in that it is a lot harder to write impenetrable cr@p in C# than it is in C++. If you want a class that is only available to Class B, then declare it as private and part of the B Class:

              public class B
              {
              private class A
              {
              ...
              }
              A a = new A();
              }

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              Yes i know about that way but the bosses above said that the file is getting too large for the functions and they have to be moved to a new class and file :/ because it is getting too complicated :/

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                I'm with Richard on this one, it's development tool, learn it, use it, get paid for it! I don't like web development (specifically javascript) but I still find it interesting. You're only bitching because you are being stuffed into a new syntax, welcome to my world!

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                You're only bitching because you are being stuffed into a new syntax, welcome to my world!

                Nah its not that. For example i find F# very interesting and fun. I think that i dislike C# because it is so much as c++ but its not the same thing.

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                  Most C++ programmers starting with C# like it. Maybe you don't like C++?

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                  Alex Fr wrote:

                  Maybe you don't like C++?

                  No way. I am writing in c++ since my sixth grade. I am pretty sure i don't dislike it :)

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                  • A Argonia

                    Yes i know about that way but the bosses above said that the file is getting too large for the functions and they have to be moved to a new class and file :/ because it is getting too complicated :/

                    Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                    You can always put your internal classes into a separate source file using partial classes

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                    • A Argonia

                      At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

                      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                      yes^4 :-) (all upvoted) 'g'

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                        You can always put your internal classes into a separate source file using partial classes

                        MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                        Precisely!

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                        • A Argonia

                          At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

                          Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                          Actually, C++ is the best language ever, so any other will look pale compared to it. /sits down and grabs pop-corn

                          ~RaGE();

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                            Actually, C++ is the best language ever, so any other will look pale compared to it. /sits down and grabs pop-corn

                            ~RaGE();

                            I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                            Rage wrote:

                            C++ is the best language ever

                            Sorry but that accolade will always go to C, as designed by the great K&R.

                            Veni, vidi, abiit domum

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                              It's not delphi.

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                              Burn the heretic!! :-D

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                              • R Rage

                                Actually, C++ is the best language ever, so any other will look pale compared to it. /sits down and grabs pop-corn

                                ~RaGE();

                                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                                The beauty of c++ is that it will never die. It doesn't stop growing. For example in the latest update c++ 11 we see something very interesting for strongly typed language, the type auto. After few years/decades/centuries(lets hope) M$ will stop supporting .Net Platform and c# will die with it. C++ doesn't need any Platforms unlike c#

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                                  Rage wrote:

                                  C++ is the best language ever

                                  Sorry but that accolade will always go to C, as designed by the great K&R.

                                  Veni, vidi, abiit domum

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                                  ... which we all know, in the depth of our hearts, was a badly implemented BASIC compiler...

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                                  • A Argonia

                                    At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

                                    Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                    if(ThisProjectSuitsc++()) UseC++(); else UseAnotherLanguage(); We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                                    • A Argonia

                                      At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

                                      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                      glennPattonPub
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                                      I got into the whole C# vs. C++ with a previous company the end result was C++ will let you build the gallows and hang yourself, while C# will give you the gallows but makes it hard(er) to hang your self. I must admit not to being very fond of object orientation & classes (give me a struct any day!) My Two pennies worth any now back to stick a test rig together. :)

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        Precisely!

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                                        Seconded. Anyway, friend? really?

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                                        • A Argonia

                                          The beauty of c++ is that it will never die. It doesn't stop growing. For example in the latest update c++ 11 we see something very interesting for strongly typed language, the type auto. After few years/decades/centuries(lets hope) M$ will stop supporting .Net Platform and c# will die with it. C++ doesn't need any Platforms unlike c#

                                          Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                          Argonia wrote:

                                          After few years/decades/centuries(lets hope) M$ will stop supporting .Net Platform and c# will die with it.

                                          Why would C# die with it? It doesn't need to run on .NET - there is at least one alternative to the .NET framework, and C# is now producing code for iOS and Android as well.

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