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  • A Argonia

    At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

    Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I like C#. I don't like C++.

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    • A Argonia

      At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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      Marc Clifton
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      Argonia wrote:

      Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend

      Good grief. Even when I was coding C++ (which I did for years) I thought private classes and "friends" were a bad design. Yes, C++ templates are a lot more flexible than C# generics, yes, multiple inheritance does have its uses when used carefully and interfaces don't always cut it, but other than that, I quite enjoy the ease of C# development. And you can specify "friend" assemblies in C#, but again, I consider it a bad idea. Marc

      Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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      • C Chris Losinger

        OriginalGriff wrote:

        it is a lot harder to write impenetrable cr@p in C# than it is in C++.

        maybe, as long as you don't get near LINQ or anonymous functions.

        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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        It's a new syntax; but as long as you resist the urge to be stupid* with it linq one liners can be as easy to understand as the 3-6 line loops they replaced while taking less actual time to read because they're much shorter. * Or to click yes every time R#er says "I can Linqify that loop for you" because it can and does produce truly awful results in some cases. OTOH most of those WTFs can also be written as a much nicer Linq expression if you ask Google for advice.

        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        • A Argonia

          At work i am working alone on the only remaining c++ project. But now new we started working on a new project in c#. So i am writing one of its projects (I pity my coworkers for working with me on the same project) and i was thinking "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend" but of course M$ had other ideas. Today was a good day i found another reason to dislike C Sharp. So i wonder what makes you people like or dislike C Sharp

          Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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          Deflinek
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          Argonia wrote:

          "Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend"

          Ahhh the joys of C++, where friends can touch your private mem.... ;)

          -- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."

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          • G Gizz

            Seconded. Anyway, friend? really?

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            Albert Holguin
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            Nobody likes friends! ;P :laugh:

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            • L Lost User

              Most C++ programmers starting with C# like it. Maybe you don't like C++?

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              Albert Holguin
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              I don't think I'd agree with that statement...

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              • M Marc Clifton

                Argonia wrote:

                Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend

                Good grief. Even when I was coding C++ (which I did for years) I thought private classes and "friends" were a bad design. Yes, C++ templates are a lot more flexible than C# generics, yes, multiple inheritance does have its uses when used carefully and interfaces don't always cut it, but other than that, I quite enjoy the ease of C# development. And you can specify "friend" assemblies in C#, but again, I consider it a bad idea. Marc

                Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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                PIEBALDconsult
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                Hear! Hear!

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  I like it. If you stop thinking "cut down C++" and consider it as a separate language in it's own right, it is very good - in some ways a lot better than C++ in that it is a lot harder to write impenetrable cr@p in C# than it is in C++. If you want a class that is only available to Class B, then declare it as private and part of the B Class:

                  public class B
                  {
                  private class A
                  {
                  ...
                  }
                  A a = new A();
                  }

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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  in that it is a lot harder to write impenetrable cr@p in C# than it is in C++.

                  Pretty sure it is ridiculously easy to write impenetrable code in any language.

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Argonia wrote:

                    Oh i will make The class A private so it will be used only with the Class B and just use friend

                    Good grief. Even when I was coding C++ (which I did for years) I thought private classes and "friends" were a bad design. Yes, C++ templates are a lot more flexible than C# generics, yes, multiple inheritance does have its uses when used carefully and interfaces don't always cut it, but other than that, I quite enjoy the ease of C# development. And you can specify "friend" assemblies in C#, but again, I consider it a bad idea. Marc

                    Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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                    pkfox
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                    +1 for not liking *friends* they go against the grain of *encapsulation* for one thing, and another thing *I don't like them* ;-) We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      Argonia wrote:

                      After few years/decades/centuries(lets hope) M$ will stop supporting .Net Platform and c# will die with it.

                      Why would C# die with it? It doesn't need to run on .NET - there is at least one alternative to the .NET framework, and C# is now producing code for iOS and Android as well.

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      Exactly; a language is just a language. In theory it can be implemented for any system.

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                      • C Chris Losinger

                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        it is a lot harder to write impenetrable cr@p in C# than it is in C++.

                        maybe, as long as you don't get near LINQ or anonymous functions.

                        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                        Rob Philpott
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                        Yes, yes, yes. 100% yes.

                        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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