I give up
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I've never really understood programmer frustration with recruiters. I would never expect a stripper to teach Sunday school or a :baaaa!: to design a Corvette, so I don't expect recruiters to be anything other than what they are - phone sales reps. Having extensive experience teaching salespeople, I understand their thinking. Run the numbers, and x percent will turn into money. I approach my interactions with them in the same manner. The more recruiters, clueless or not, who have me on their list of people to ping, the greater my chances of bumping into what I want. I get emails all the time from people asking for things that have never appeared on my resume. I don't reply and ask them if they've even read my resume. There's no benefit in that line of thinking. Instead, each time, I send them a nice two sentance email explaining that I'm currently unavailable and thanking them for thinking of me. When I am looking for a gig, you'd be surprised how many people remember me and try all the harder because I was nice to them. Reputation is a volume business, but it does pay off over time. It's all a numbers game, on your side of the fence and theirs. The more contacts made, the greater the statistical probability of success. Getting frustrated with the quality of the numbers doesn't get you any closer to your destination. It just makes the ride more unpleasant. I've never had much luck with monster, career builder or other general purpose sites. Dice has been useful, not so much as a source of jobs, but because I get more recruiters for my list. Rememeber, any time you're looking for gigs on a website, it's a race to the bottom. I'm surprised someone didn't ask you to work for 10k a year. Build yourself a good network of recruiters instead. You have to constantly stay on top of them to get results, but it's a better investment of your time than websites. By the way, I know better than to poke you with a stick when you're cranky. Maybe I'll just back slowly to the exit now... :-D
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Actually, that's what I found surprising - most of the jobs required only 1-2 years of experience
And how well are they paying? For the right customer - your experience, and productivity, should be worth well above the average. At least that's my view of your skills, and from what I've seen, you know how to develop decent software, and you know how to document your work - which is often at least as valuable, especially when you're doing contract work. I really wish you the best of luck, and I really think you deserve it :thumbsup:
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
Espen Harlinn wrote:
And how well are they paying?
Most of the contract positions are paying $75/hr. Obviously the headhunter takes a cut (when I worked for a consulting agency in NYC, they were taking an additional $40/hr. Money in the bank.) Must be making a lot of Indians some money. :~
Espen Harlinn wrote:
I really wish you the best of luck, and I really think you deserve it
Thanks! I'll keep folks posted. Right now, I'm wondering why I shouldn't get in on the other end of the business. Clearly there's a need for a professional job placement website, and I bet employers have as many complaints about places like Monster from their angle as well. Currently, I'm poking around The Ladders to see if it's more professional. Marc
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25 years in the IT industry, all in Finance - Pensions, Banking [Retail and Corporate], Asset Management, Trading, Market Data, etc, etc, etc. Pretty damned good across the .Net and Java stacks. Development, Implementation Project Management and Product Management. Recent examples include would I go to Brum* for £40k as a dev? FOAD. I know we're old fecks, but that means we know our shyte and not that we are worthless. Rule of thumb - born after I started work === not worth speaking to. *Birmingham, Alabama's is a lot nicer and more tolerant. Imagine the worst of Soviet deprivation, then take away the style and taste.
speramus in juniperus
Nagy Vilmos wrote:
*Birmingham, Alabama's is a lot nicer and more tolerant. Imagine the worst of Soviet deprivation, then take away the style and taste.
Oi! Oiu hayle from Brumidgum, and it's roit grate, k? I amn't goan tayke that from sum suthenner!
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SoMad wrote:
Are you actually considering a full-time job that pays $90K per year?
No, not seriously, but given the ups and downs of the consulting business, at the moment it would actually be an improvement to my financial situation. Getting those $90 per hour jobs is easy enough to do if I want to sell my soul to the devil, namely the financial companies on Wall Street. Which I don't. Did that for 5 months a few years ago, and I would rather be banging out bad rhythms on cooking pots on a sidewalk with a tin box to collect quarters.
SoMad wrote:
I had mentally placed you in a completely different salary range.
It varies all over the map. I had a lovely 3 years doing some work for a satellite manufacturer out in CA that was paying that, but then they got bought out, killed all inhouse development, and opted to spend a million or so on some third party commercial app that doesn't do half of what the engineers actually need. Managers X| Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I would rather be banging out bad rhythms on cooking pots on a sidewalk with a tin box to collect quarters.
Go for it!! Do what truly makes you happy!! :-D
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I've never really understood programmer frustration with recruiters. I would never expect a stripper to teach Sunday school or a :baaaa!: to design a Corvette, so I don't expect recruiters to be anything other than what they are - phone sales reps. Having extensive experience teaching salespeople, I understand their thinking. Run the numbers, and x percent will turn into money. I approach my interactions with them in the same manner. The more recruiters, clueless or not, who have me on their list of people to ping, the greater my chances of bumping into what I want. I get emails all the time from people asking for things that have never appeared on my resume. I don't reply and ask them if they've even read my resume. There's no benefit in that line of thinking. Instead, each time, I send them a nice two sentance email explaining that I'm currently unavailable and thanking them for thinking of me. When I am looking for a gig, you'd be surprised how many people remember me and try all the harder because I was nice to them. Reputation is a volume business, but it does pay off over time. It's all a numbers game, on your side of the fence and theirs. The more contacts made, the greater the statistical probability of success. Getting frustrated with the quality of the numbers doesn't get you any closer to your destination. It just makes the ride more unpleasant. I've never had much luck with monster, career builder or other general purpose sites. Dice has been useful, not so much as a source of jobs, but because I get more recruiters for my list. Rememeber, any time you're looking for gigs on a website, it's a race to the bottom. I'm surprised someone didn't ask you to work for 10k a year. Build yourself a good network of recruiters instead. You have to constantly stay on top of them to get results, but it's a better investment of your time than websites. By the way, I know better than to poke you with a stick when you're cranky. Maybe I'll just back slowly to the exit now... :-D
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
Christopher Duncan wrote:
I'll just back slowly to the exit now... :-D
Wise choice, Christopher, and good advice, as always. As you say, recruiters can be made into allies if you handle them properly. It's in their best interest to land you a better job - actually, they don't give a damn if it's better, so long as you think it is - and the more of them you have working for you, the better the results are likely to be. Although they get paid by the hiring company, generally, it's perfectly okay and very useful to treat them as your own personal representatives. None of them work for just one client, so they're really kind of a supermarket of job opportunities. It pays to learn how to effectively cultivate and manage them. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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25 years in the IT industry, all in Finance - Pensions, Banking [Retail and Corporate], Asset Management, Trading, Market Data, etc, etc, etc. Pretty damned good across the .Net and Java stacks. Development, Implementation Project Management and Product Management. Recent examples include would I go to Brum* for £40k as a dev? FOAD. I know we're old fecks, but that means we know our shyte and not that we are worthless. Rule of thumb - born after I started work === not worth speaking to. *Birmingham, Alabama's is a lot nicer and more tolerant. Imagine the worst of Soviet deprivation, then take away the style and taste.
speramus in juniperus
I've also been in the *the game* for a long time and until recently I've always been busy, I find myself back job hunting and can't believe the people you have to deal with in your quest for a contract, a typical advert is something like this Senior .NET Software Engineer, minimum 5 years experience, must have: TDD,AGILE,SCRUM,RUBY,PHP,POSTGRE,SYBASE,INGRESS,BDD,FU2,C#,VB,C++,SQL RDBMS, etc..., then the killer line WOULD SUIT GRADUATE !!!! WTF ? We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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I put my resume on Monster a couple weeks ago to see if I could drum up some additional consulting work. My experiences: 1. Even when you check "remote work only" and "NO relocation", the phone rings off the hook with "can you relocate to Timbucktoo" 2. 98% of the calls are from job shops operated by [people from a different country, take a wild guess], God only knows where they're really calling from, with names like "Lucky", and mostly impossible to understand 3. OK, I've been doing Ruby on Rails for a year and have obviously extensive .NET experience as well. What does everyone call about? Ruby on Rails. It's like they can't see anything else. 4. One company just now replied to the job shop with: Interesting candidate, but I don't see any academic achievements or any reason why his positions are short termed (see below, I let them know that these were contract roles). Also, I don't think 90K is reasonable, given these code samples. Would he be interested in discussing further at around 75k. What a joke. Academic achievements, my arse. Last time I took a college course (Fortran using punch-cards!!!) was 33 years ago. 90K was barely acceptable, and they offer 75k? And...Interesting candidate ??? F.U., given that I'd given them links to my Ruby on Rails projects, websites, and articles here, I've had people jump all over my skills (of course, they're in places you couldn't pay me to move to.) I'm so sick of this business, the bullshit interviews, the phone calls, etc. As I've said here and elsewhere over and over again, word of mouth is the best, and it's certainly how I've gotten the really fun and interesting (and great paying) jobs. The thing that pisses me off the most though is that these companies all want "on-site" contractors/employees. First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site. Second off, most of these companies create products that have something to do with remote access (for example, have you seen the ADP commercials for how you can check all your security cameras from your tablet?) yet they all demand on-site work. WTF is with that? We live in the age of telecommunications, and yet, for example, when I did a stint with Citigroup in NYC, almost every person had a 2 hour + commute, one way. I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry. Screw it all. Grrr. :mad: Marc
Firstly, these people are in business to make money by filling the positions their contacts give them. They aren't a charity, they aren't Father Christmas. Having said which, ROR is a hot technology with a shortage of decent candidates. I wrote one commercial stock Ruby programme six years ago, and I get ROR calls because they are desperate. Fact is, you need a job. You don't have a right to one, you don't have an entitlement. You have to take control of how you are marketing yourself. As for the agencies, you have to show willing; one agency in 2006 in Leicester, 100 miles from where I lived, sent me on a couple of no-hope interviews. They needed a candidate to show, any candidate, to keep the reputation of their agency for finding quality people, even though they might not be right. In return for this, three agents at the agency adopted me. They were on my side because I was on theirs. By the end, I was being flown out to interviews in Belfast and Amsterdam, expenses paid. In the end I took a job with a world leading imaging company on the South Coast, living in a popular holiday resort with more pubs per capita than any town in England, warm climate, white sand beach and lots of social activities.(Team building was usually accompanied by the boss buying us lots of beer). All because we invested in each other and had good agency relations. Chin up!
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I put my resume on Monster a couple weeks ago to see if I could drum up some additional consulting work. My experiences: 1. Even when you check "remote work only" and "NO relocation", the phone rings off the hook with "can you relocate to Timbucktoo" 2. 98% of the calls are from job shops operated by [people from a different country, take a wild guess], God only knows where they're really calling from, with names like "Lucky", and mostly impossible to understand 3. OK, I've been doing Ruby on Rails for a year and have obviously extensive .NET experience as well. What does everyone call about? Ruby on Rails. It's like they can't see anything else. 4. One company just now replied to the job shop with: Interesting candidate, but I don't see any academic achievements or any reason why his positions are short termed (see below, I let them know that these were contract roles). Also, I don't think 90K is reasonable, given these code samples. Would he be interested in discussing further at around 75k. What a joke. Academic achievements, my arse. Last time I took a college course (Fortran using punch-cards!!!) was 33 years ago. 90K was barely acceptable, and they offer 75k? And...Interesting candidate ??? F.U., given that I'd given them links to my Ruby on Rails projects, websites, and articles here, I've had people jump all over my skills (of course, they're in places you couldn't pay me to move to.) I'm so sick of this business, the bullshit interviews, the phone calls, etc. As I've said here and elsewhere over and over again, word of mouth is the best, and it's certainly how I've gotten the really fun and interesting (and great paying) jobs. The thing that pisses me off the most though is that these companies all want "on-site" contractors/employees. First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site. Second off, most of these companies create products that have something to do with remote access (for example, have you seen the ADP commercials for how you can check all your security cameras from your tablet?) yet they all demand on-site work. WTF is with that? We live in the age of telecommunications, and yet, for example, when I did a stint with Citigroup in NYC, almost every person had a 2 hour + commute, one way. I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry. Screw it all. Grrr. :mad: Marc
Maybe you should request to be hired by Monster so you can increase the font size of the no-relocation information. Or a nice
<marquee>. Those are so coming back. I wonder aboutMarc Clifton wrote:
First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site.
and if there's a UK equivalent law. I'm assuming you're in the US from the thread.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote:
it is funny when a grad any developer tries to tell me how trading software should work.
Not many knows how to do this, even after many years of practice ... and even if you did really good quantitative work last year, you're seriously outdated today.
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
I'll just back slowly to the exit now... :-D
Wise choice, Christopher, and good advice, as always. As you say, recruiters can be made into allies if you handle them properly. It's in their best interest to land you a better job - actually, they don't give a damn if it's better, so long as you think it is - and the more of them you have working for you, the better the results are likely to be. Although they get paid by the hiring company, generally, it's perfectly okay and very useful to treat them as your own personal representatives. None of them work for just one client, so they're really kind of a supermarket of job opportunities. It pays to learn how to effectively cultivate and manage them. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
Collect the whole set! :)
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
I would never expect a stripper to teach Sunday school
Perhaps not, but imagine the :cough: rise :cough: in attendance if there was. Hell, even I would consider going.
I'm not so sure. I'd have to sleep on it.
Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer
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Yes, awaiting his reply. It was my understanding that corporations were getting away with evading taxes by hiring contractors for long periods, thereby essentially substituting them for full-time employees. That was deemed illegal and several well-known large companies were taken to task about 5 years ago. But I had no idea that a short term contract couldn't stipulate on-site work. /ravi
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It's pretty much still the case. But if you try to insist on your rights, they'll just hire someone else. And if you take them to court, you may never work in that field again. I've been (mostly) a contractor since '98 and in most of those cases, I'm just a well paid temp rather than a true 'this is the spec, it pays $X/hr and we want it by date Y' contractor. But a temp that pays their own tax and pension, and doesn't get to claim sick or holiday pay or any other benefits. 99% of what I do can be done anywhere where there is a desk and a good internet connection, but they like to be able to look over their fiefdom.
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Maybe you should request to be hired by Monster so you can increase the font size of the no-relocation information. Or a nice
<marquee>. Those are so coming back. I wonder aboutMarc Clifton wrote:
First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site.
and if there's a UK equivalent law. I'm assuming you're in the US from the thread.
IANAL. It's not against the law for the company to require you to be on-site, but HMRC can say you're a hidden employee and make _you_ pay the full whack of PAYE tax on your earnings, plus any penalties. That said, unless you're taking the piss, they generally don't hunt people down under IR35 anymore. Just pay yourself a living wage under PAYE and they'll be happy.
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I put my resume on Monster a couple weeks ago to see if I could drum up some additional consulting work. My experiences: 1. Even when you check "remote work only" and "NO relocation", the phone rings off the hook with "can you relocate to Timbucktoo" 2. 98% of the calls are from job shops operated by [people from a different country, take a wild guess], God only knows where they're really calling from, with names like "Lucky", and mostly impossible to understand 3. OK, I've been doing Ruby on Rails for a year and have obviously extensive .NET experience as well. What does everyone call about? Ruby on Rails. It's like they can't see anything else. 4. One company just now replied to the job shop with: Interesting candidate, but I don't see any academic achievements or any reason why his positions are short termed (see below, I let them know that these were contract roles). Also, I don't think 90K is reasonable, given these code samples. Would he be interested in discussing further at around 75k. What a joke. Academic achievements, my arse. Last time I took a college course (Fortran using punch-cards!!!) was 33 years ago. 90K was barely acceptable, and they offer 75k? And...Interesting candidate ??? F.U., given that I'd given them links to my Ruby on Rails projects, websites, and articles here, I've had people jump all over my skills (of course, they're in places you couldn't pay me to move to.) I'm so sick of this business, the bullshit interviews, the phone calls, etc. As I've said here and elsewhere over and over again, word of mouth is the best, and it's certainly how I've gotten the really fun and interesting (and great paying) jobs. The thing that pisses me off the most though is that these companies all want "on-site" contractors/employees. First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site. Second off, most of these companies create products that have something to do with remote access (for example, have you seen the ADP commercials for how you can check all your security cameras from your tablet?) yet they all demand on-site work. WTF is with that? We live in the age of telecommunications, and yet, for example, when I did a stint with Citigroup in NYC, almost every person had a 2 hour + commute, one way. I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry. Screw it all. Grrr. :mad: Marc
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Maybe you should request to be hired by Monster so you can increase the font size of the no-relocation information. Or a nice
<marquee>. Those are so coming back. I wonder aboutMarc Clifton wrote:
First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site.
and if there's a UK equivalent law. I'm assuming you're in the US from the thread.
SortaCore wrote:
I'm assuming you're in the US from the thread.
Quite. Near Albany, NY here.[^]
SortaCore wrote:
Maybe you should request to be hired by Monster so you can increase the font size of the no-relocation information.
I am half-seriously considering working this from the other direction and figuring out how a real job searching website would actually work, for both employers and people looking for employment. Marc
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I put my resume on Monster a couple weeks ago to see if I could drum up some additional consulting work. My experiences: 1. Even when you check "remote work only" and "NO relocation", the phone rings off the hook with "can you relocate to Timbucktoo" 2. 98% of the calls are from job shops operated by [people from a different country, take a wild guess], God only knows where they're really calling from, with names like "Lucky", and mostly impossible to understand 3. OK, I've been doing Ruby on Rails for a year and have obviously extensive .NET experience as well. What does everyone call about? Ruby on Rails. It's like they can't see anything else. 4. One company just now replied to the job shop with: Interesting candidate, but I don't see any academic achievements or any reason why his positions are short termed (see below, I let them know that these were contract roles). Also, I don't think 90K is reasonable, given these code samples. Would he be interested in discussing further at around 75k. What a joke. Academic achievements, my arse. Last time I took a college course (Fortran using punch-cards!!!) was 33 years ago. 90K was barely acceptable, and they offer 75k? And...Interesting candidate ??? F.U., given that I'd given them links to my Ruby on Rails projects, websites, and articles here, I've had people jump all over my skills (of course, they're in places you couldn't pay me to move to.) I'm so sick of this business, the bullshit interviews, the phone calls, etc. As I've said here and elsewhere over and over again, word of mouth is the best, and it's certainly how I've gotten the really fun and interesting (and great paying) jobs. The thing that pisses me off the most though is that these companies all want "on-site" contractors/employees. First off, as a contractor, it's my understanding that it is illegal to require on-site work unless it can be demonstrated that the work can only be done on-site. Second off, most of these companies create products that have something to do with remote access (for example, have you seen the ADP commercials for how you can check all your security cameras from your tablet?) yet they all demand on-site work. WTF is with that? We live in the age of telecommunications, and yet, for example, when I did a stint with Citigroup in NYC, almost every person had a 2 hour + commute, one way. I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry. Screw it all. Grrr. :mad: Marc
1. + "I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry." == irony. Employers want you on site because being there in person allows the team to get to know you. You've been doing this 33 years and haven't figured that out? *You* are the one who doesn't want to be around other people while you work. Who's dehumanizing the industry here? 2. That's a little racist; though I find my self not returning calls to recruiters that I can't understand. The US is the melting pot, people have accents. You should get over it. :P 3. Because the people with Ruby on Rails experience are rarer than those with .NET experience... simple supply and demand here... 4. I make 45k as a Lead Android developer so I don't really want to hear your complaints on 75k/90k. That number also means different things in different parts of the country. EX. 75k in sanfrancisco would be practically unlivable. Here in North Carolina, it would be a decent salary. Last. Don't use Monster if you want an IT job. Use Dice. (Or craigslist if you want a startup but from the looks of things, you probably couldn't handle a startup salary.)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
90K was barely acceptable
Wait a second... I initially read this as $90/hr. Are you actually considering a full-time job that pays $90K per year? I understand you have to lower your price if you want to work from home, but based on your contributions here on CP (I haven't gone full cyber-stalking on you :) ), I had mentally placed you in a completely different salary range. Something closer to 190K. Especially being on the East coast. Soren Madsen
I make 45k in a Lead role on the east coast. West coast is where all the high salary gigs are. Though I am still making a startup salary.
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Espen Harlinn wrote:
I think that is a part of the problem
Actually, that's what I found surprising - most of the jobs required only 1-2 years of experience, and one even offered an apprenticeship if you were coming from a PHP background!
Espen Harlinn wrote:
You have valuable experience, make it count - competing on an overcrowded scene just isn't worth it.
It actually doesn't seem to be that crowded - not more so than anything else. :) But like I said, these headhunters were looking just at my most recent work - I haven't gotten a single call regarding .NET. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Espen Harlinn wrote:
I think that is a part of the problem
Actually, that's what I found surprising - most of the jobs required only 1-2 years of experience
Really. I'd've expected half of them to demand at least 20 years of experience with Ruby itself and a decade using Rails. :rolleyes:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
thereby essentially substituting them for full-time employees.
Yeah, I got bitten by that in reverse. A company I had a multi-year contract with wanted me to become an employee, but I didn't want that because it would have been a significant pay reduction, and I also would not have been able to take advantage of the health care package because I'm in NY, not CA. It caused a bit of a stir, but the legal dept. sort of looked the other way. What eventually happened though was that I was let go of because (in my opinion, and my intuition / opinion is usually correct!) I was getting paid more than the senior manager - some new guy they brought in. Marc
Did that company contract with an insurer that didn't have national partners or just not care enough to do the minimum legwork to offer one?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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1. + "I'm disgusted with this dehumanizing industry." == irony. Employers want you on site because being there in person allows the team to get to know you. You've been doing this 33 years and haven't figured that out? *You* are the one who doesn't want to be around other people while you work. Who's dehumanizing the industry here? 2. That's a little racist; though I find my self not returning calls to recruiters that I can't understand. The US is the melting pot, people have accents. You should get over it. :P 3. Because the people with Ruby on Rails experience are rarer than those with .NET experience... simple supply and demand here... 4. I make 45k as a Lead Android developer so I don't really want to hear your complaints on 75k/90k. That number also means different things in different parts of the country. EX. 75k in sanfrancisco would be practically unlivable. Here in North Carolina, it would be a decent salary. Last. Don't use Monster if you want an IT job. Use Dice. (Or craigslist if you want a startup but from the looks of things, you probably couldn't handle a startup salary.)
Stephen Dycus wrote:
Employers want you on site because being there in person allows the team to get to know you. You've been doing this 33 years and haven't figured that out? *You* are the one who doesn't want to be around other people while you work. Who's dehumanizing the industry here?
Of course. And the irony is that I get put into a cubicle with three other people, each from a different nationality, we never talked, English wasn't a particular strong suit for them. The concept of "getting to know the team" is a crock of shit in the majority of cases because the company does nothing to foster this.
Stephen Dycus wrote:
That's a little racist;
No, it's a stereotype, and it's unfortunate that these people can be "typed" so easily in this way. If you want to call it racist, then I'm OK with that too, quite frankly. This watered-down politically correct BS we have to live with today simply means that people can't say what they really think, which means we don't actually resolve conflicts, instead we just internalize them.
Stephen Dycus wrote:
Here in North Carolina, it would be a decent salary.
Absolutely, and I do take that into account.
Stephen Dycus wrote:
Don't use Monster if you want an IT job. Use Dice.
Will do, thanks for the advice. I'm also looking at The Ladders. Marc
