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Your LG television is spying on you

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  • C Christopher Duncan

    I'm sure that sort of thing goes on all the time. I just get my revenge by prancing about naked in front of the built in web cam. I figure the medical expenses they incur for traumatized employees should make us even.

    Christopher Duncan Author of Unite the Tribes: Leadership Skills for Technology Managers Have Fun, Get Paid: How to Make a Living with Your Creativity The Career Programmer

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    charlieg
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    mind bleach please :)

    Charlie Gilley You're going to tell me what I want to know, or I'm going to beat you to death in your own house. "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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    • R Rob Philpott

      I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Mycroft Holmes
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      Hah I love it, some poor bastard is being bored to death tracking my viewing information. I think I'll also take up naked dancing, although I may be sued for visual atrocities.

      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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      • R Rob Philpott

        I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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        Simon ORiordan from UK
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        The government spying is fine....they're a bunch of straight up guys, from the makers of The Cold War, death squads in Northern Ireland, IRS persecution, Obamathugcare, mass artificial starvation in Russia and China, the Gulag, the KGB(still called the KGB in Belorus - they have this whole 'retro' vibe going on, wonderful). Everything Hitler did was legal. Corporations - bad guys that bring you your Apples, TV's, Radios, Cars, HP Slates and Desktops, Hitachi drives, Coca Cola. Yeah, I don't trust them not to want to make money for an instant. But seriously, ever since Public Private Partnerships were invented in the 90's, the Government is the Corporations, the Corporations are the government. :(

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        • Z ZurdoDev

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          That I think is one step too far

          If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Nice sweater by the way. It looks good on you.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          p51dfltln
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          That depends on your definition of 'wrong'. The problem is, first and foremost, it is a violation of the 4th Amendment in the US. If the gov't suddenly decides that owning books is 'wrong', or having cats is wrong, or that more than one computer means you have too much money, so they'll come take one of the computers, and garnish your wages.. Are you still ok with it then?

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            That depends on your definition of 'wrong'. The problem is, first and foremost, it is a violation of the 4th Amendment in the US. If the gov't suddenly decides that owning books is 'wrong', or having cats is wrong, or that more than one computer means you have too much money, so they'll come take one of the computers, and garnish your wages.. Are you still ok with it then?

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            ZurdoDev
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            You missed the joke icon, I believe.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            • R Rob Philpott

              I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

              Regards, Rob Philpott.

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              Techsys Admin
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              Cell phone as well as telephone companies always know where you are and have a good idea what you're doing. Your average store-bought computer has been spying on you since the mid-1990's when the Internet really got going. TV cable boxes having been reporting on you since the 1980's when cable began. Nielsen ratings for TV began in 1950 practically as soon as television became widespread. Nielsen adapted TV ratings from radio ratings that began in the 1930's and which was adapted from market analysis in the 1920's. This has been happening for about 100 years or more. It should be no surprise that LG has jumped on the bandwagon. Thus, there is no step too far. There is only the erosion of freedoms which you allow.

              Jim Wilson

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              • R Rob Philpott

                I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                RefugeeFromSlashDot
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                If true, that would be an invasion of my privacy. However, my LG TV is stupid and doesn't have an internet connection, so it can't send anything anywhere.

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                • R Rob Philpott

                  I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                  RafagaX
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                  That's the reason number one why I don't connect any appliance that doesn't need it to the internet.

                  CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Rob Philpott wrote:

                    sending the information back to LG

                    How?

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                    paulcaseyjr
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                    http://doctorbeet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-usb-filenames-and.html#comment-form

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                    • L Lost User

                      Well it's a little scumbaggy but why is corporate use worse than government use? They're just corporations, what are they going to do, at worst? Make some money? Governments can make you disappear. </tinfoilhat>

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                      patbob
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                      Anything the corporations collect about you is freely available to anybody claiming to be from "the government" or willing to pay them for it. To be honest, I'm actually less worried about our (US) government having that information. There's laws that define what they can and can't do that we citizens can influence. If they overstep them, we get to hold their feet to the figurative fire -- the current flap with the NSA is a good example of this. Corporations, on the other hand, get to define their own behaviors that are backed with the force of (US) law -- they're called policies. They're allowed to change them, users have no influence over what the policies are, and the companies generally give themselves permission to change their policies at any time and without any notification to the users. Worse, users have no resource unless the company has violated its own policy and hasn't gotten around to changing it yet. Corporations with my data are far scarier than governments.

                      We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                      • R Rob Philpott

                        I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

                        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                        Fenshaw
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                        Reminds me of the Cold War joke:Q: "What's the difference between the USA and the USSR?" A:"In the USA people watch television. In the USSR television watches the people." Just sayin'.

                        "To do is to be." [Descartes] "To be is to do." [Voltaire] "Do be do be do..."[Frank Sinatra]

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                        • R Rob Philpott

                          I seem to be in a minority not caring about governments spying on me, but I read in the paper this morning that somebody had worked out that his LG television was recording his viewing habits and sending the information back to LG - seemingly for targeting advertising. So, when you change channel that gets logged allegedly. This does concern me - as we enter an age where everything is connected and getting smarter devices are feeding back your habits for corporate use. Your phone does it, supermarkets do it and now your TV does it. That I think is one step too far...

                          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                          Br Bill
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                          That's why god gave your network router the ability to block outgoing traffic from an IP.

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            It's OK, because it sends your data to the Korean government, and they can't do anything with it.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            Fred Flams
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                            Well...... they might not be able or willing to use it directly, but they can do worse... they can sell it to the Chinese....

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

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                              That I think is one step too far

                              If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Nice sweater by the way. It looks good on you.

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              cplas
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                              >If you aren't doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. You would have been a model citizen in a communist country. We detested people like you. Chris

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                              • Z ZurdoDev

                                You missed the joke icon, I believe.

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                cplas
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                                I missed it too. Sorry =) Chris

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                                • R realJSOP

                                  Just don't connect it to the internet, or, configure your router to not allow out-going connections to LG. You can use fiddler to find the ip to block.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                  MTWill
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                                  Without out-going connections, I probably wouldn't be able to watch Netflix, Youtube, etc. on the TV. Those so-called "smart" functions are a big reason I bought the thing in the first place. Bummer.

                                  -- Will

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                                    Without out-going connections, I probably wouldn't be able to watch Netflix, Youtube, etc. on the TV. Those so-called "smart" functions are a big reason I bought the thing in the first place. Bummer.

                                    -- Will

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                                    realJSOP
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                                    MTWill wrote:

                                    Without out-going connections, I probably wouldn't be able to watch Netflix, Youtube, etc. on the TV.

                                    You can still do that stuff, but to avoid the snooping that the TV does, you merely have to configure your router to disallow outgoing connections to IPs that aren't Netflix, youtube, etc. It's really not that hard. I bet if you googled it, you could find someone that's already done it.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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