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  • E ednrg

    What I don't understand is why someone that has a job, where there are 2 things to do, use the accelerator and the brake is incapable of doing his job. The guy doesn't even need to steer it.

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    Dan Neely
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    It seems he may have fallen asleep on the job. He admitted to being sleepy in radio communications earlier in the trip. That leads to the question of if he did a stupid and didn't get enough sleep on his normal schedule, or was a last minute replacement and normally worked a shift where he'd've been sleeping when the accident occurred.

    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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    • E ednrg

      What I don't understand is why someone that has a job, where there are 2 things to do, use the accelerator and the brake is incapable of doing his job. The guy doesn't even need to steer it.

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      Mark H2
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      The less you have to do to concentrate on the task at hand, the more likely you are to drift off to another dimension. I know that when I am stuck in a long line of traffic cruising along at some rediculously low speed I'm ready to fall alseep after 10 minutes, but if I drive (or better yet, ride the motorcycle) fast (ie over the speed limit, the more the better) my concentration level is way better because you have to react to more things in a lessor time frame.

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      • E ednrg

        What I don't understand is why someone that has a job, where there are 2 things to do, use the accelerator and the brake is incapable of doing his job. The guy doesn't even need to steer it.

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        Lost User
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        And the train driver sits there and comtemplates "What I don't understand is why someone that has a job where there is one thing to do, write code, is incapable of doing their job." Or have you never had a bug?

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        • M Marc Clifton

          Why isn't there an automated system that slows the train down?[^] There was a similar incident earlier this year in Europe (France?), again, why aren't there system's in place that basically control the train 100%? I can't even imagine a reason for an operator except as a fallback to a failure of the technology. Marc

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          Mycroft Holmes
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          There is, Singapore's MRT has no drivers on most (if not all) of their rail. Arrival times are every 1-2 minutes in peak times and the operators get fined $1m if they cause a major delay. They have an excellent ticketing system that causes minimal delays and a trip of 6 stops cost 86 CENTS in off peak and something just over a $1 in peak hour.

          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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          • E ednrg

            What I don't understand is why someone that has a job, where there are 2 things to do, use the accelerator and the brake is incapable of doing his job. The guy doesn't even need to steer it.

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            Mark_Wallace
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            The job of a footballer is to kick footballs into goals. Their entire working life (at least 8 hours a day) is dedicated to learning how to do this and practice doing it. How many miss penalties?

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            • D Dan Neely

              It seems he may have fallen asleep on the job. He admitted to being sleepy in radio communications earlier in the trip. That leads to the question of if he did a stupid and didn't get enough sleep on his normal schedule, or was a last minute replacement and normally worked a shift where he'd've been sleeping when the accident occurred.

              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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              Freak30
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              I think a dead man switch wouldbe enough to counter this. Operator falls asleep -> train stops. Simple as that. Ok, probably there should be some additional system to prevent the next train from crashing into the standing one.

              The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.

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              • L Lost User

                Marc Clifton wrote:

                why aren't there system's in place that basically control the train 100%?

                Autopilot, like most plains? Where the driver is merely an ornamental figure? ..impossible, there'd be no-one to blame in case of accidents. You need people on the workfloor.

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                hairy_hats
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                Blame the programmer.

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                • L Lost User

                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  why aren't there system's in place that basically control the train 100%?

                  Autopilot, like most plains? Where the driver is merely an ornamental figure? ..impossible, there'd be no-one to blame in case of accidents. You need people on the workfloor.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                  GuyThiebaut
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                  Interestingly enough, or maybe not... commercial aircraft do have what is called an 'autothrottle' which is separate from the autopilot. This allows the pilot to fly it via the stick without having to concentrate on the throttle as well(the 'autopilot' looks after the control surfaces). It's usually used on descent to landing and switched off just before landing(a small button on the control stick).

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Why isn't there an automated system that slows the train down?[^] There was a similar incident earlier this year in Europe (France?), again, why aren't there system's in place that basically control the train 100%? I can't even imagine a reason for an operator except as a fallback to a failure of the technology. Marc

                    Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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                    JMK89
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                    Because they like to go really slowly while they check tickets, then speed up. That would be tricky to automate! I'm not kidding!

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      Why isn't there an automated system that slows the train down?[^] There was a similar incident earlier this year in Europe (France?), again, why aren't there system's in place that basically control the train 100%? I can't even imagine a reason for an operator except as a fallback to a failure of the technology. Marc

                      Day 1: Spider Database Navigator Unit Testing Succinctly

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                      Dan Neely
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                      Turns out it's on it's way. Mandated in the US by 2015 for passenger trains. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/12/04/railroad-crash-positive-train-control-crash-ntsb-metro-north/3869729/[^]

                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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