Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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But the level of oppression between the US and SA was also on quite different levels. Especially when you take the level of official oppression in account.
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I dont know how much it varied between the US and SA, however blacks were killed in the south. They had to cross the street if a white woman walked down their side of the road, get on their knees and remove their hat if they passed a white man on the pavement. I dont know that SA was worse than that, I dont see how it could be worse.
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It's the one he uses on letters and cheques as well... ;)
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I am not speaking ill of the dead, merely pointing out the cras hypocrisy of the worlds leaders today. And anyone here who hero worships him. And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
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:) I was waiting fot that. OK, how about Bin Laden? Personaly dead or alive, scum is scum.
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Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
Same old fatboy only arguing the parts that he wants to shout about and ignoring the parts that disagree with his views. from the I would suggest you give yourself a clap, well done you!
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively. And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
The American government is setup so that you can passively fight against it. The SA government was so oppressive a passive fight would have done nothing, right? Not to justify violence but would a passive fight have even worked? Perhaps he did try passive first.
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Is that a combination of LittleBoy and FatMan?
Well, the was a "song", if you can call it that, some years ago with the title Fatboy slim is elefanting in heaven or something like that. Maybe the name was a reference to that "song".
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Is that supposed to be clever or something? I merely point out to Dave that I would be on the side of the english rebels and you attempt to make it look as if I think unjust taxation is worse than apartheid. Where did you fail to read the bit where I described Martin Luther King as noble and heroic for his passive fight against segregation? Oh sorry, yes, you just plain forgot to read that bit in your quest for cheap virtue by trying to paint me a racist. Idiot.
The point I wanted to make is that you support English rebels who indulged in armed resistance against unjust taxation but you label an armed resistance against apartheid as terrorism. I cannot see it as anything else other than bigotry and racism.
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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
The American government is setup so that you can passively fight against it. The SA government was so oppressive a passive fight would have done nothing, right? Not to justify violence but would a passive fight have even worked? Perhaps he did try passive first.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
And how closely did southern states adhere to US govt policy on this?
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I dont know how much it varied between the US and SA, however blacks were killed in the south. They had to cross the street if a white woman walked down their side of the road, get on their knees and remove their hat if they passed a white man on the pavement. I dont know that SA was worse than that, I dont see how it could be worse.
It was legalized. But then again, if you go back more than one hundred years the US had slavery. I read a document a while ago that made that comparison, I'll see if I can find it again. BTW, I notice that you didn't really answer my original question.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
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The point I wanted to make is that you support English rebels who indulged in armed resistance against unjust taxation but you label an armed resistance against apartheid as terrorism. I cannot see it as anything else other than bigotry and racism.
He's a Troll - it doesn't have to make sense as long as it gets a response. I've already had to invoke Godwin's Law, but he hasn't shut up... Basically: Don't Feed The Troll! :laugh:
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The point I wanted to make is that you support English rebels who indulged in armed resistance against unjust taxation but you label an armed resistance against apartheid as terrorism. I cannot see it as anything else other than bigotry and racism.
There is a difference between a militia taking on an army and a terrorist killing civilians thorugh bombs. I would have thought that quite obvious.
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And how closely did southern states adhere to US govt policy on this?
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
Doesn't seem like you read your own link. "it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force." Comparing Mandela with bin Laden is beyond absurd. Marc
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He's a Troll - it doesn't have to make sense as long as it gets a response. I've already had to invoke Godwin's Law, but he hasn't shut up... Basically: Don't Feed The Troll! :laugh:
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It was legalized. But then again, if you go back more than one hundred years the US had slavery. I read a document a while ago that made that comparison, I'll see if I can find it again. BTW, I notice that you didn't really answer my original question.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
Clearly the white govt was wrong and had to change. Racism is unjust, Eugene Terreblanche nothing but a fascist or neo nazi, and as unpleasant a man as one could hope to find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Terre'Blanche[^] https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ugene%20terreblanche&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.&bvm=bv.57752919,d.d2k,pv.xjs.s.en_US.JVi-ZN0rCA0.O&biw=2142&bih=506&dpr=1&wrapid=tlif138633684773411&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=TtKhUoDaOemX0QXk1YBI[^]
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You tell me. But you didn't answer my question. I can't believe anyone would think that the US and SA are the same.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I think the southern states in the US in the 30s and 40s were equally as bad as SA at that time.
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason." - John Harrington
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Doesn't seem like you read your own link. "it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force." Comparing Mandela with bin Laden is beyond absurd. Marc
So one wrong deserves another does it?
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There is a difference between a militia taking on an army and a terrorist killing civilians thorugh bombs. I would have thought that quite obvious.
