Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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Doesn't seem like you read your own link. "it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force." Comparing Mandela with bin Laden is beyond absurd. Marc
Like I said, He should be called Benighted_Eric :laugh:
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As I had already stated, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. If you believe in their cause, they're militia/freedom fighters/armed resistance, otherwise, they're just terrorists.
once again, no, they arent the same, regardless of whether you believe in their cause or not.
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And if you go 100 years further back in time the US was questionably worse.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers. Buckminster Fuller
As far as I know slavery wasnt practised in SA.
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Yes, I can see you thought that. By the way, Martin Luther King was in the South in the 60s.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes, I know. I think the US might have improved during WWII (the racial situation).
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So take it to the soapbox and I will gladly reply.
I have to be invested to do that when truly I do not care what you think of Mandela or what you do not think, beside there is a point to be had that you replied to every post made and also take it way too seriously but like you said
Erudite_Eric wrote:
CBadger wrote:
How is it that the biggest empty cans make the most noise?
because they are big and empty
Indeed they are :doh: you should've chosen the name Benighted_Eric :rolleyes:
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if you stop making the noise of a farting mouse I might be able to understand you long enough top give you a reply. Otherwise you are just being an annoying little squirt.
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You tell me. But you didn't answer my question. I can't believe anyone would think that the US and SA are the same.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
They aren't but the thing is Eric likes to argue but doesn't like to have a grown up argument and listen to both sides of the story
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once again, no, they arent the same, regardless of whether you believe in their cause or not.
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
When the ANC was formed, it was ILLEGAL in South Africa for people with dark skin to organize, much less to fight for their basic human rights. They were engaged in a war, and wars are never clean. That the apartheid government called them terrorists is little different than the British government of the late 1700s calling US revolutionaries terrorists.
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Whats that got to do with it? OK, my dads from cape town, my brother lives there now. Does that make any difference? He was a terrorist, the world forgetting that fact shows how utterly two faced it is.
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Thats right, lable anyone whose opinions you disagree with a troll. Its so easy isnt it. Saves you from having to be tollerant.
Correct: I am lacktoes inTrollerant.
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Hate him and call him a terrorist all your life, the facts is that he will remain a hero and a warrior who played a major role in abolishing apartheid in SA and will be remembered and cherished for centuries to come.
See, thats where you are wromng. He was no 'warrior'. While being anti racist is admirable, you cannot justify the murder of civilians in bringing about its end.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
my dads from cape town, my brother lives there now.
It's starting to make sense now.
You really are pathetic. You are now saying I am a racist just because my dad was born in capetown. Why not do something about prejudice in thw world by not being so yourself?
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When the ANC was formed, it was ILLEGAL in South Africa for people with dark skin to organize, much less to fight for their basic human rights. They were engaged in a war, and wars are never clean. That the apartheid government called them terrorists is little different than the British government of the late 1700s calling US revolutionaries terrorists.
Oh no, not another one who doesnt know the difference between military and civilan targets.
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They aren't but the thing is Eric likes to argue but doesn't like to have a grown up argument and listen to both sides of the story
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
Did you just trot this lame and blanket statement out having read it on the internet somewhere? Go on, now jujstify it, tell me how I have ignored the side of the black in SA? Waiting.... (in vain I expect)
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The English rebels, for they were English at the time, carried out bombing attacks killing civilians did they?
Erudite_Eric wrote:
The English rebels, for they were English at the time, carried out bombing attacks killing civilians did they?
Yes, actually. There are numerous accounts in American history where revolutionary soldiers, acting on orders from their commanders, blew up depots where the British had been storing gunpowder resulting in much personal and property "collateral damage." While the "tea party" in Boston Harbor is famous, it was only one of a great many such acts. People seen as being sympathetic to the British were assaulted and beaten by mobs, and it was not unusual for such people to have their homes ransacked, farms burned to the ground and places of business utterly destroyed. There are numerous recorded instances of political lynching. Former patriots like Benedict Arnold did not abandon the revolution and return to the British out of any sense of loyalty to the Crown; they abandoned the revolution in disgust at what the revolutionaries were willing to do for their independence.
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Did you just trot this lame and blanket statement out having read it on the internet somewhere? Go on, now jujstify it, tell me how I have ignored the side of the black in SA? Waiting.... (in vain I expect)
No I wont Eric as I have had discussions with you before and if it is information that you don't want to hear then you normally do one of the following 1. dodge the question / information posed to you. 2. return with some derogatory comment. 3. ramble with your original statement until we give in and say you win.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Oh no, not another one who doesnt know the difference between military and civilan targets.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
Oh no, not another one who doesnt know the difference between military and civilan targets.
The American Revolution was no different: civilians perceived as supporting the British were frequently targeted, their homes ransacked by mobs and their businesses burned to the ground. Politically motivated murders were not uncommon: I will look for references, but I know at least one Massachusetts Assemblyman was found hanged the day after voting against the colony's support of the American revolution. As I said, it was war. In war, no one has clean hands. What matters is what one does after winning , and Nelson Mandela has worked very, very hard to clean up the aftermath of that war.
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So one wrong deserves another does it?
Erudite_Eric wrote:
So one wrong deserves another does it?
No, a wrong deserves to be righted. The whole reason for the right to bear arms is so that the people have a means of defending themselves from a corrupt government. Marc
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
The English rebels, for they were English at the time, carried out bombing attacks killing civilians did they?
Yes, actually. There are numerous accounts in American history where revolutionary soldiers, acting on orders from their commanders, blew up depots where the British had been storing gunpowder resulting in much personal and property "collateral damage." While the "tea party" in Boston Harbor is famous, it was only one of a great many such acts. People seen as being sympathetic to the British were assaulted and beaten by mobs, and it was not unusual for such people to have their homes ransacked, farms burned to the ground and places of business utterly destroyed. There are numerous recorded instances of political lynching. Former patriots like Benedict Arnold did not abandon the revolution and return to the British out of any sense of loyalty to the Crown; they abandoned the revolution in disgust at what the revolutionaries were willing to do for their independence.
Then by deffinition they were terrorists too. Of course that doesnt mean Mamndella was any more justified.
