Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
unjust taxation
I pity you. I never knew unjust taxation was a greater crime than apartheid.
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There is a difference between a militia taking on an army and a terrorist killing civilians thorugh bombs. I would have thought that quite obvious.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
There is a difference between a militia taking on an army and a terrorist killing civilians thorugh bombs.
That is simplistic and not an apt analogy. For starters civilians died and were threatened in the US civil war. And military technology was significantly different then. If the US revolution had happened in the 1950s then it is very likely that more bombs would have been used.
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And a corrupt govt does not include innocent civilans. Look, I think Tony Blair is a terrorist and war criminal and should be locked up for life you know. I am not biassed against Mandella, it is all people who inflict pain and suffering on others in pursuit of their political goals that I detest.
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Also peaceful protest wouild have gaine support from the whites. Not all south africans were fascists you know.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
Where did I say that?
That is obvious. Mandela did fight against the racist regime. According to you, he is terrorist. Hence, Mandela is a terrorist because he fought against racist regime.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
They are both bad. get it?
No, that is not correct. Mandela was charged with 193 so called terrorist activity charges. These activities were defined as act of terrorism from the same government which divided the nation. So the charges themselves hold no water.
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d@nish wrote:
That is obvious. Mandela did fight against the racist regime. According to you, he is terrorist. Hence, Mandela is a terrorist because he fought against racist regime.
No sorry. You are mistaken. He didn't say that. He said he is a terrorist because the group he formed targeted civilian targets. You might challenge something in that statement, but you can't change the statement to make your point.
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
You are so right. Anyone who fought against oppression of the majority by a minority is a terrorist. Jomo Kenyatta was a terrorist. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. George Washington was a terrorist.
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He also did a remarkable amount of good in his life in the face opposition from an apartheid government. Apartheid is the real villain in all of this. And today I am reminded also that the city I live in trolled the SA government in the mid-80s by renaming the street the South African consulate was on to Nelson Mandela Place. (I love Glasgow)
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And Calcutta renamed Park Street on which the US Consulate stood to Ho Chi Minh Street.
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Shameel wrote:
I never knew unjust taxation was a greater crime than apartheid.
What specific part of apartheid do you think existed which did not have a counterpart in the early Americas?
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Apartheid existed everywhere and still exists in many parts of the world, I did not deny that. The question here is if it acceptable to launch armed resistance against a government that systematically institutionalized and legalized apartheid.
Shameel wrote:
Apartheid existed everywhere and still...
Which does nothing to address the specific statement that you made and to which I responded. AGAIN which specific part of apartheid, some specific practice that occurred, which you know about and which you believe did NOT have a specific counter part in the early Americas?
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Shameel wrote:
Apartheid existed everywhere and still...
Which does nothing to address the specific statement that you made and to which I responded. AGAIN which specific part of apartheid, some specific practice that occurred, which you know about and which you believe did NOT have a specific counter part in the early Americas?
jschell wrote:
AGAIN which specific part of apartheid, some specific practice that occurred, which you know about and which you believe did NOT have a specific counter part in the early Americas?
Did I ever deny that it did not exist in the Americas? I'm not sure why you're asking me this question.
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Given that Hitler has been dead for too long and people tend to mention Bin Laden a lot these days, is there a similar law related to Bin Laden? :-)
The ANC attacked government installations while fighting for freedom. Bin Laden attacked civilians.
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Chris Quinn wrote:
were terrorists who should have been hanged for treason.
Err...you do know that that was in fact a real possibility?
Of course I do - and it should have happened! :mad:
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The English rebels, for they were English at the time, carried out bombing attacks killing civilians did they?
Figures produced by the South African government state that ANC actions caused the death of about 130 civilians[^]. The South African security forces killed more than that in one day at Sowete[^], so who were the terrorists?
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You are so right. Anyone who fought against oppression of the majority by a minority is a terrorist. Jomo Kenyatta was a terrorist. Nelson Mandela was a terrorist. George Washington was a terrorist.
You are forgetting Mandella planted bombs and killed civilians. Or perhaps you are just being stupid.
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You are forgetting Mandella planted bombs and killed civilians. Or perhaps you are just being stupid.
Can you tell me the number of people killed by bombs planted not just by Mandela but by all of ANC? How many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed by bombings by Allied air forces? How many were killed by lack of medicines, lack of baby formula, etc.? How many persons killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are "collateral damage", as it is phrased by the US or UK? Who then are the bigger terrorists? Who then is being stupid?
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Can you tell me the number of people killed by bombs planted not just by Mandela but by all of ANC? How many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed by bombings by Allied air forces? How many were killed by lack of medicines, lack of baby formula, etc.? How many persons killed in Iraq or Afghanistan are "collateral damage", as it is phrased by the US or UK? Who then are the bigger terrorists? Who then is being stupid?
Google not working for you? Wiki has a nice page on mandellas terrorist organisation. Go look it up.
Vivic wrote:
Who then is being stupid?
You @#$%^* **(%&. You think I agree with the Iraq war? What a )*(&#$& &&*$ you are. Blair is a war criminal and should be locked up. So, Blair a murdering twat, Mandella a murdering twat, and you a ^$&% :"*& for using shit logic and making yourself look $@%##$.
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Google not working for you? Wiki has a nice page on mandellas terrorist organisation. Go look it up.
Vivic wrote:
Who then is being stupid?
You @#$%^* **(%&. You think I agree with the Iraq war? What a )*(&#$& &&*$ you are. Blair is a war criminal and should be locked up. So, Blair a murdering twat, Mandella a murdering twat, and you a ^$&% :"*& for using shit logic and making yourself look $@%##$.
Your post is so erudite! :laugh:
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Your post is so erudite! :laugh:
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