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Course Selection? Discrete Mathematics, or Machine Org/Assembler Language?

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  • J Jon Plotner

    Haha your right...

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    Albert Holguin
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    I guess you just learned about signature lines... ;P :laugh:

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    • A Albert Holguin

      Well a semester is pretty much a quarter... I graduated in three years as well, but I wouldn't wish my gray hairs on anyone... :laugh:

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      Ron Beyer
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      Eh, 4 quarters in a year, only 2.5 semesters or so... Brain did all it could to absorb an entire course in 11 weeks, much less 6 or 7 of them. Didn't graduate in 3 years, took me just over 4 since I changed majors twice in a school where changing programs meant basically starting over. My hair was gray by my sophomore year, by the time I graduated I felt 10 years older :)

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        Eh, 4 quarters in a year, only 2.5 semesters or so... Brain did all it could to absorb an entire course in 11 weeks, much less 6 or 7 of them. Didn't graduate in 3 years, took me just over 4 since I changed majors twice in a school where changing programs meant basically starting over. My hair was gray by my sophomore year, by the time I graduated I felt 10 years older :)

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        There's actually four school semesters in most universities. Spring and Fall are the usual, then there's usually two summer sessions. The summer sessions are condensed.

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        • J Jon Plotner

          Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:

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          Cristian Amarie
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          If is *anything* with algebra, take it. All the monoid, groups etc. stuff are invaluable to understand later why you will need an operator < in a container C++ class, why a neutral element could become one day operator +=(HRGN hrgn). But I would go also to the ASM as well, *if* you have a veteran to teach. Morale: go to the music school for theory and spend time with bluesmen as well :D. The result have more chances to be Eric Clapton.

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          • J Jon Plotner

            Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:

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            Discrete mathematics. Good choice. I touched it quite a bit at college even though my major degree subject was applied maths. All of this was in the mid to late 70s so "computer science" was then heavily dependent on discrete analysis. Funny thing is, I enjoyed the discrete rather more than applied. Then again, it was all down to the tutors I think. :)

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            • T thrakazog

              I've taken both. The only thing that stuck with me from discrete math was some of the vector operations. Those came in handy for some game code. The assembly class had us using exposed circuit boards and wiring them for LEDs countdown timers and buzzers. So... it was basically a class to teach bomb building. Of the two I've gotten more use out of the math. Homeland security tends to frown on the other anyway. :rolleyes:

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              You do realise that security agency bots have already made note of your comments? The hamsters are scheduled to have their doors bashed off the hinges at 2am tomorrow morning in pursuit of getting your address and inside leg measurements etc.

              If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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              • A Albert Holguin

                I guess you just learned about signature lines... ;P :laugh:

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                Nelek
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                I think so ;P :laugh:

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                • A Albert Holguin

                  It really depends on your course of study versus what you actual occupation is. In any case though, you'll never remember everything, I'm constantly having to look back to books or online sources to remember things. I'm a communications/DSP engineer... so I guess I use a lot more of my mathematics than the average college grad.

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                  Albert Holguin wrote:

                  I'm constantly having to look back to books or online sources to remember things.

                  Einstein told it: I don't learn something I can find somewhere else. I add: It is more important to learn the how than to learn the what. I am electronic's engineer specialized in Automation and Robotics. So from all what I saw in college I mostly use Automation, Software engineering, CAD, Regulation, Process Analyse and Digital electronic.

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  • J Jon Plotner

                    Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:

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                    You're probably better off with the class in Discrete Math as it's much harder and could use the guided instruction. But buy the Machine Org book anyway. It's not that difficult, just time consuming. If you want to actually understand how a processor works it's the class to take. And guys, not all of us grew up in the 70s when this was standard nerd knowledge, about half my class failed what has to have been one of the most dead simple classes I took because they didn't have a clue to start with and weren't smart enough to read the stinking book. That said, if you take Machine Org/Assembler, read the stinking book. It'll be long, dry, boring and filled with all the answers for the tests. Plus you may actually remember some of the useful bits later.

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                    • J Jon Plotner

                      Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:

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                      Jon Plotner wrote:

                      make me more valuable in the workforce.

                      And which specific part of the work force do you want to be?

                      Jon Plotner wrote:

                      Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics
                       
                      I can only take one. Which should it be? Why?

                      Excluding some very specific answers to the previous question...Assembler. In general for the vast majority of programming jobs advanced math will have virtually no impact. You might encounter one instance where knowledge in one specific area might help in your entire career. Which isn't to say that that this class will be the one. Could be a different math class. On the other hand a deeper understanding of how a computer works provides a basis for understanding better how compilers and interpreters work. Which will impact the rest of your career. Since if you do actually program then you will be using compilers and interpreters for the rest of your life. (And the class I took on compiler design was one of the most worthwhile classes I ever took.) If it matters I took classes similar to both and my degree is in Mathematics.

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