Don't believe it
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Not quite - boiled water has dissolved gasses removed, and will freeze faster. When you heat water on a stove to boiling point, you will see bubbles form for some time before the water reaches the boiling point. This is dissolved gases coming out of solution, and if you capture the bubbles, you will see that their content is not H2O. Once the water reaches boiling point ("rolling boil"), then the water is changing phase and the content of gas emitted is water vapor (H2O). Water (even boiling water) that has the dissolved gases removed will freeze faster than warm or even cold water.
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Don't forget we use Fahrenheit so -15 here is a lot colder than -15 there : )
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MMMmmm, You are on to something but not totally I seem to remember a friend of mine (in Norway doing the same thing with non-boiling water the smaller droplets froze out right, the larger ones the surface froze and shattered(!) when it hit the ground, causing smaller droplets that froze and repeated the process until it just ran out of energy! and froze!. Too bloomin cold for me!! :sigh:
glennPattonWork wrote:
in Norway
Today we expect temperatures around 7°C - not exactly what you would require for this to happen ...
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If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
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I saw a clip on the news last night where in the US, to demonstrate it's getting pretty chilly, they threw some boiling water in the air only to have it fall to earth as snow. Like a scene out of the dismal 'Day after tomorrow'. Really? So it's going to drop 100c in a second and also dissipate it's latent heat to solidify in the space of a second flat in air - a very good heat insulator? I'm having a very hard time accepting this. What says the CodeProject community?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
The freakiest thing I've seen was yesterday morning. I have a tarp on the garage floor to catch the caked snow that falls off the car at night in a pathetic effort to stop the foul black melt from flowing over everything else I have stacked in the garage. In the morning there's a pool of water at the garage door from the melt, and when I open the door it flows outside. I always get a broom and sweep it out of the way into a nearby (2 feet away) drain so I don't get a thicker and thicker ice slab building up. Yesterday, as I swept the water from the garage it almost immediately thickened, went slushy, then granular, and then within half a foot of the drain I was no longer pushing water but rolling a log of cookie-dough consistency frozen slush about 3 inches wide. Time was about 5-10 seconds from running water to the cookie dough event horizon. Back home to Australia in 4 weeks. Can. Not. Wait.
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Yah believe it. We have had frost quakes[^] in Canada here.
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The freakiest thing I've seen was yesterday morning. I have a tarp on the garage floor to catch the caked snow that falls off the car at night in a pathetic effort to stop the foul black melt from flowing over everything else I have stacked in the garage. In the morning there's a pool of water at the garage door from the melt, and when I open the door it flows outside. I always get a broom and sweep it out of the way into a nearby (2 feet away) drain so I don't get a thicker and thicker ice slab building up. Yesterday, as I swept the water from the garage it almost immediately thickened, went slushy, then granular, and then within half a foot of the drain I was no longer pushing water but rolling a log of cookie-dough consistency frozen slush about 3 inches wide. Time was about 5-10 seconds from running water to the cookie dough event horizon. Back home to Australia in 4 weeks. Can. Not. Wait.
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glennPattonWork wrote:
in Norway
Today we expect temperatures around 7°C - not exactly what you would require for this to happen ...
Espen Harlinn Principal Architect, Software - Goodtech Projects & Services AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
True, very true, still 7'C is cold as far as I'm concerned I'm sure I should have been born in Jamaica :laugh:
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If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
oh my god, saying "it's too cold to snow" is like saying "I am not the boss of my company" :laugh:
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I saw a clip on the news last night where in the US, to demonstrate it's getting pretty chilly, they threw some boiling water in the air only to have it fall to earth as snow. Like a scene out of the dismal 'Day after tomorrow'. Really? So it's going to drop 100c in a second and also dissipate it's latent heat to solidify in the space of a second flat in air - a very good heat insulator? I'm having a very hard time accepting this. What says the CodeProject community?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Mpemba effect[^] /Fredrik
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Was gonna post this, but I was beaten to it. Good link. :thumbsup:
Regards, Nish
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If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
Chris Maunder wrote:
If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
That was what Dave C told me on my first day in Canada. That in winter it doesn't snow more when it's at its coldest. Never understood the thinking behind that. :-)
Regards, Nish
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Chris Maunder wrote:
If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
That was what Dave C told me on my first day in Canada. That in winter it doesn't snow more when it's at its coldest. Never understood the thinking behind that. :-)
Regards, Nish
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It happens because the maximum amount of water vapor air can hold goes down as it gets colder. That's why the heaviest snowfall is when it's only slightly below freezing; and why while states like Tennessee and North Carolina don't get as much total snow as we do in Pennsylvania or Ohio they're prone to occasional massive storms when the freeze line crashes into warm humid gulf air over their heads. OTOH because it blows around the dry powder that falls when it's colder can be more of a PITA because you have to keep shovelling it over and over again than the wet snow that will stay in place once it's down. On the gripping hand because most of Canada gets cold enough that the snow pack never melts off till spring the cumulative impact of lots of small snow storms when it's really cold still turns into really thick layers covering the ground everywhere.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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It happens because the maximum amount of water vapor air can hold goes down as it gets colder. That's why the heaviest snowfall is when it's only slightly below freezing; and why while states like Tennessee and North Carolina don't get as much total snow as we do in Pennsylvania or Ohio they're prone to occasional massive storms when the freeze line crashes into warm humid gulf air over their heads. OTOH because it blows around the dry powder that falls when it's colder can be more of a PITA because you have to keep shovelling it over and over again than the wet snow that will stay in place once it's down. On the gripping hand because most of Canada gets cold enough that the snow pack never melts off till spring the cumulative impact of lots of small snow storms when it's really cold still turns into really thick layers covering the ground everywhere.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Thanks, I believe Dave explained something similar to me. It makes sense when you think of it.
Regards, Nish
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Chris Maunder wrote:
If I hear another person say it's too cold to snow I'm going to send them outside, no gloves, no coat, no shoes, and ask them to take a good look around.
That was what Dave C told me on my first day in Canada. That in winter it doesn't snow more when it's at its coldest. Never understood the thinking behind that. :-)
Regards, Nish
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The flakes are smaller the colder it gets (not as sticky) and when it's been cold for a long time open bodies of water start freezing over so there's less fuel. And yeah, the absolute humidity is lower hence less water per cubic meter of air, but given a water supply it'll snow, especially if the wind is blowing. Lower water density, but more volume of air per second means lots of water still available to make your day a mess. And this is e same Dave who wandered around downtown with me when it was -5C in a tshirt. I almost turned around and got back on the plane then and there.
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Thanks, I believe Dave explained something similar to me. It makes sense when you think of it.
Regards, Nish
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It probably helped that you weren't suffering from culture
thermalshock when I repeated it. :-\Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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The flakes are smaller the colder it gets (not as sticky) and when it's been cold for a long time open bodies of water start freezing over so there's less fuel. And yeah, the absolute humidity is lower hence less water per cubic meter of air, but given a water supply it'll snow, especially if the wind is blowing. Lower water density, but more volume of air per second means lots of water still available to make your day a mess. And this is e same Dave who wandered around downtown with me when it was -5C in a tshirt. I almost turned around and got back on the plane then and there.
Chris Maunder wrote:
And this is e same Dave who wandered around downtown with me when it was -5C in a tshirt. I almost turned around and got back on the plane then and there.
You sound like the wimps who thought I was out of my mind not wearing a coat on Tuesday; on your first day off the plane I'd've done the exact same thing except I'd also be wearing shorts (assuming I wasn't on my way too/from the office anyway). -5C is around the middle of my preferred temperature for shoveling snow; warm enough I can still get away with just a tshirt and denim shorts for a few hours, cool enough I don't need to worry about overheating because I'm working too hard. (The latter is bad because the amount of my shirt that gets soaked in sweat ends up too large and then turns into a giant heat sucker as it tries to evaporate and freeze at the same time.)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I saw a clip on the news last night where in the US, to demonstrate it's getting pretty chilly, they threw some boiling water in the air only to have it fall to earth as snow. Like a scene out of the dismal 'Day after tomorrow'. Really? So it's going to drop 100c in a second and also dissipate it's latent heat to solidify in the space of a second flat in air - a very good heat insulator? I'm having a very hard time accepting this. What says the CodeProject community?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I read some recent research that said water actually freezes more quickly from an initial hot temperature than from room temperature. It has to do with the molecular bonds that slow crystalization down being less present in hot water.
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The freakiest thing I've seen was yesterday morning. I have a tarp on the garage floor to catch the caked snow that falls off the car at night in a pathetic effort to stop the foul black melt from flowing over everything else I have stacked in the garage. In the morning there's a pool of water at the garage door from the melt, and when I open the door it flows outside. I always get a broom and sweep it out of the way into a nearby (2 feet away) drain so I don't get a thicker and thicker ice slab building up. Yesterday, as I swept the water from the garage it almost immediately thickened, went slushy, then granular, and then within half a foot of the drain I was no longer pushing water but rolling a log of cookie-dough consistency frozen slush about 3 inches wide. Time was about 5-10 seconds from running water to the cookie dough event horizon. Back home to Australia in 4 weeks. Can. Not. Wait.
I heard it is 120 degrees Fahrenheit / 49 degrees Celsius in Australia. No comfy in between temperatures.
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I thought it rather sticked together via surface tension - hence why showerheads exist?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
I thought it rather sticked together via surface tension
Not quite. If this was true for any amount of water in the presence of gravity then you could devise a way to overturn a bucketful of water from a tall building and have it fall onto the ground as a single blob. At some critical mass, gravity (and random molecule movement) takes over and then the lower energy state of the fluid as a whole is to split into two (or more) droplets. The "other side of the coin" for the above statement is a leaky faucet. If you have a faucet that's giving a steady supply of water and slowly reduce the supply, at some point the surface tension is such that it's energetically favourable for the water to stop flowing as a "cylinder" and start flowing as a series of spheres (droplets). Actually, even in a showerhead, you can see that although the water comes out as a steady stream from each of the showerhead's holes, it becomes a series of droplets along the way. So, throwing any sizeable amount of water in the air in the presence of Earth's gravity will turn said amount of water into droplets.
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