Is Indian Forum the Only place for Indians to ask questions on ASP.Net?
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Interesting, someone asked something similar earlier today and this was my response to him.
If you are not a native speaker, and you don't possess at least quasi-western social attitude, Code Project is not the best place for you. That is how it is, it's a site run out of Canada catering towards American and Canadian developers primarily (and to a lesser degree European and Australian devs too). The General Indian Topics forum exists not because it's a place for Indian devs to socialize but so that Indian devs who don't fit the above characteristics can stay off the Lounge and the Soapbox. I am not trying to scare you away, just trying to be honest about how it is. There are plenty of Indian developer sites run by Indians - so you should be able to easily find alternatives.
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
If you are not a native speaker, and you don't possess at least quasi-western social attitude
Wow - why didn't told it earlier! Now I have to go... Forgive me but it's all bl*sht! I'm not American, nor Canadian, not even European (not anymore) and never got close to any Australian. I'm not a native English speaker either (English is my fifth language only!), but never got the feeling I'm second rate...
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
can stay off the Lounge and the Soapbox
It hard to say something not abusive about such a abusive accusation. I hope after you sleep well tonight you will see too how that was unfair toward CP members... As to this case - did you read the original question and the answer from OG? He only offered an option in OP's language. As Op is a relative newcomer - so he may not aware of it. He (OG) even made it clear, that his intention was - comprehension...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Is this something written by your own? You mean to say being an Indian I have no right to ask a quesion other than in Indian Forum?You mean to say Indians dont have the knowledge to ask question openly. They should only interact in Indian forums? And sharing knowledge depends upon which country I belong to? Your response was not good enough.
DotnetCoders001 wrote:
Is this something written by your own? You mean to say being an Indian I have no right to ask a quesion other than in Indian Forum?You mean to say Indians dont have the knowledge to ask question openly. They should only interact in Indian forums? And sharing knowledge depends upon which country I belong to? Your response was not good enough.
I re-read what I wrote and I do not understand how you came to these conclusions. I did not imply any of those things you seem to think that I did.
Regards, Nish
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Namaste, Nish-ji, I always thought the title "General Indian Topics" was a secret code for "Cricket Forum," used because the Walt Disney Company threatened to sue CodeProject for trademark infringement on the "Jiminy Cricket" brand. But, I have never been able to explain why QA Forums do not have titles like "Homework C#", "Homework C# 4.0," or, even titles like, "Exam Panic C#," etc. What did "homework" infringe on ? Am I all wrong just to judge forums by their content ?
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked. “Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.” “How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice. “You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
BillWoodruff wrote:
I always thought the title "General Indian Topics" was a secret code for "Cricket Forum,"
Well cricket and Indian politics seem to be the most popular topics there, that's for sure. :-)
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
If you are not a native speaker, and you don't possess at least quasi-western social attitude
Wow - why didn't told it earlier! Now I have to go... Forgive me but it's all bl*sht! I'm not American, nor Canadian, not even European (not anymore) and never got close to any Australian. I'm not a native English speaker either (English is my fifth language only!), but never got the feeling I'm second rate...
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
can stay off the Lounge and the Soapbox
It hard to say something not abusive about such a abusive accusation. I hope after you sleep well tonight you will see too how that was unfair toward CP members... As to this case - did you read the original question and the answer from OG? He only offered an option in OP's language. As Op is a relative newcomer - so he may not aware of it. He (OG) even made it clear, that his intention was - comprehension...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
I believe that you've misinterpreted my response. I was not referring to the people who run this website, nor was I trying to speak for them. And there is no question of being "2nd rate" or anything like that - it's just a matter of what site is suitable for someone, and what site is not. It's equivalent to an Objective-C programmer trying to get help from the MSDN forums, and being told that the Apple dev forums may be a better bet. That's what I was going for there.
Regards, Nish
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I believe that you've misinterpreted my response. I was not referring to the people who run this website, nor was I trying to speak for them. And there is no question of being "2nd rate" or anything like that - it's just a matter of what site is suitable for someone, and what site is not. It's equivalent to an Objective-C programmer trying to get help from the MSDN forums, and being told that the Apple dev forums may be a better bet. That's what I was going for there.
Regards, Nish
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I'm happy to being wrong... :)
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
catering towards American and Canadian developers primarily (and to a lesser degree European and Australian devs too).
Wow, Nish - really? I've spent over a decade trying to ensure our community is inclusive, understanding, and holds on to the notion that English is not everyone's first language. CodeProject welcomes all cultures, and through our incredibly diverse membership I've learned more about other cultures than I ever thought possible. Yet you essentially tell this guy that if he isn't North American he should go to a different site. That's incredibly depressing to read that from you.
Nish Sivakumar wrote:
The General Indian Topics forum exists not because it's a place for Indian devs to socialize but so that Indian devs who don't fit the above characteristics can stay off the Lounge and the Soapbox
Actually no. GIT was created so that a) Our extremely large Indian population would have a place to be themselves, to converse in their own language and to post their (sometimes unique) humour. b) Indian newcomers to CodeProject would have a place to acclimatise and to get a feel for what works and what doesn't work in a forum that's extremely multicultural. GIT was created because we have a large Indian membership. We wanted to encourage that membership, and wanted a place to allow our Indian members to get their feet wet if they aren't yet comfortable with Lounge. It's most certainly not a place to corral anyone so they can "stay off the Lounge and the Soapbox"
Chris Maunder wrote:
I've spent over a decade trying to ensure our community is inclusive, understanding, and holds on to the notion that English is not everyone's first language. CodeProject welcomes all cultures, and through our incredibly diverse membership I've learned more about other cultures than I ever thought possible. Yet you essentially tell this guy that if he isn't North American he should go to a different site.
Hey Chris, there is no question that you intended the community to be international and multi-cultural. But it is a fact that there is a dichotomy between what you envisioned and the behavior of this site's community. Perhaps my response to the OP was not clear enough, but I was referring to the community here rather than to site management. As for the GIT forum, I have been an active participant there since its inception, and have often been involved with relatively new Indian members who've struggled to fit into the Lounge or the other main forums here. But it's been counter-productive when people redirect spammers and trolls of Indian origin to the GIT forum, and treat it as a sort of purgatory of sorts for posts they don't want to see. When someone like Griff (probably the most visible answerer here) tells someone to buy an Indian-language textbook, that is merely an indication of the general thinking here. It's similar to telling someone with a Jewish name to buy a Hebrew translation of Thinking in C++. The GIT forum has active members helping people out, but it's not meant to be a grammar/language training forum. So, if someone struggles to put a simple question into a comprehensible format, I don't see how he or she would benefit from posting here, except to add weight to the stereotype about Indian programmers posting low-value content here. (the phrase "homework question" is near-synonymous with Indian-programmer-question here) And again, given how the community is run in a mostly democratic fashion, your goals and values will not always resonate with that of your most active members'. I don't see that as a failing of any sort, and in fact I think it's one of the site's biggest strengths compared to a place like S.O. where the admins and moderators are more dictatorial in general.
Regards, Nish
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That is not what Nishant wrote. You may notice that Nish is Indian himself. What he was pointing out is that oftentimes Indian contributors get a tougher ride because western attitudes jar with them. If you ask a good question, and show that you have tried then that is all that matters.
Thanks Pete. Apparently my original response was not clear enough, based on some of the replies I got.
Regards, Nish
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Thanks Pete. Apparently my original response was not clear enough, based on some of the replies I got.
Regards, Nish
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It seemed perfectly clear to me. Perhaps I just get you.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I've spent over a decade trying to ensure our community is inclusive, understanding, and holds on to the notion that English is not everyone's first language. CodeProject welcomes all cultures, and through our incredibly diverse membership I've learned more about other cultures than I ever thought possible. Yet you essentially tell this guy that if he isn't North American he should go to a different site.
Hey Chris, there is no question that you intended the community to be international and multi-cultural. But it is a fact that there is a dichotomy between what you envisioned and the behavior of this site's community. Perhaps my response to the OP was not clear enough, but I was referring to the community here rather than to site management. As for the GIT forum, I have been an active participant there since its inception, and have often been involved with relatively new Indian members who've struggled to fit into the Lounge or the other main forums here. But it's been counter-productive when people redirect spammers and trolls of Indian origin to the GIT forum, and treat it as a sort of purgatory of sorts for posts they don't want to see. When someone like Griff (probably the most visible answerer here) tells someone to buy an Indian-language textbook, that is merely an indication of the general thinking here. It's similar to telling someone with a Jewish name to buy a Hebrew translation of Thinking in C++. The GIT forum has active members helping people out, but it's not meant to be a grammar/language training forum. So, if someone struggles to put a simple question into a comprehensible format, I don't see how he or she would benefit from posting here, except to add weight to the stereotype about Indian programmers posting low-value content here. (the phrase "homework question" is near-synonymous with Indian-programmer-question here) And again, given how the community is run in a mostly democratic fashion, your goals and values will not always resonate with that of your most active members'. I don't see that as a failing of any sort, and in fact I think it's one of the site's biggest strengths compared to a place like S.O. where the admins and moderators are more dictatorial in general.
Regards, Nish
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"Indian programmers posting low-value content here" "Indian members who've struggled to fit into the Lounge or the other main forums here" Nish, I do not suffer an English problem nor do I think my content was weak.You have no right to typecast Indian Programmers as the one posting low value content or as the one who are not able to frame their questions properly. There is no one perfect on this planet and that inlcudes you too.
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Just Chill.. You should focus on what you want. Your question is to get some good book that you have now(i think). Try hard to learn ASP.NET. Although i am not in favor of OG but you can tell him that you know english language very well So he can suggest good books. IMO, You should refer C# good book[^] and ASP.NET good book[^] I suggest you to give more efforts toward your study than discussing such point. Best luck
Thanks -Amit Gajjar
Thankyou for your advice but I really don't need a guidance on what should I focus on.
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Your choice of Namaste, Namaskaram, or Vannakam, Relax: while he is a man of great intellectual distinctions, there is not a racially discriminating bone in OriginalGriff's brain, in fact there are no bones in his brain if you discount his skull ! I am certain the intent in his remarks was to be helpful. Lighten up, brother DotnetCoders001: CodeProject is not "andher nagree chauput raja" country. Don't hang the man who did not steal anything.
“But I don't want to go among mad people,” Alice remarked. “Oh, you can't help that,” said the Cat: “we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.” “How do you know I'm mad?” said Alice. “You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn't have come here.” Lewis Carroll
"andher nagri chaupat raja" that indeed is your favourite quotation.
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"Indian programmers posting low-value content here" "Indian members who've struggled to fit into the Lounge or the other main forums here" Nish, I do not suffer an English problem nor do I think my content was weak.You have no right to typecast Indian Programmers as the one posting low value content or as the one who are not able to frame their questions properly. There is no one perfect on this planet and that inlcudes you too.
DotnetCoders001 wrote:
I do not suffer an English problem nor do I think my content was weak.You have no right to typecast Indian Programmers as the one posting low value content or as the one who are not able to frame their questions properly. There is no one perfect on this planet and that inlcudes you too
My response to Chris was general in nature and I was not specifically referring to you. The stereotypes I referred to above are not my creations, they already exist - and I was not condoning them either.
Regards, Nish
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DotnetCoders001 wrote:
I do not suffer an English problem nor do I think my content was weak.You have no right to typecast Indian Programmers as the one posting low value content or as the one who are not able to frame their questions properly. There is no one perfect on this planet and that inlcudes you too
My response to Chris was general in nature and I was not specifically referring to you. The stereotypes I referred to above are not my creations, they already exist - and I was not condoning them either.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
If the stereostypes exist they exist for everyone with weak content or with everyone who are not able to frame their questions properly in general but you specially pointed out "Indian Programmers" in your explanation to Chris.Why can't you say it in a general sense?
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If the stereostypes exist they exist for everyone with weak content or with everyone who are not able to frame their questions properly in general but you specially pointed out "Indian Programmers" in your explanation to Chris.Why can't you say it in a general sense?
DotnetCoders001 wrote:
But in your explanation to Chris you pointed out Indian Programmers.
I sure did. We are discussing Indian programmers and the India-specific forum.
Regards, Nish
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DotnetCoders001 wrote:
But in your explanation to Chris you pointed out Indian Programmers.
I sure did. We are discussing Indian programmers and the India-specific forum.
Regards, Nish
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If the stereostypes exist they exist for everyone with weak content or with everyone who are not able to frame their questions properly in general but you specially pointed out "Indian Programmers" in your explanation to Chris.Why can't you say it in a general sense? Well I think your reply about Indian Programmers is something created by your own mindset and I can make it out very well by reading other member's responses. As far I am concerned your response about Indian Programmers is nothing more than crap.
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DotnetCoders001 wrote:
But in your explanation to Chris you pointed out Indian Programmers.
I sure did. We are discussing Indian programmers and the India-specific forum.
Regards, Nish
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