What is it with these Gay Rights people
-
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
While I do prefer to be kept ignorant about peoples bathroom habits,
bathroom?
MVVM # - I did it My Way ___________________________________________ Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011 .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
Sorry, I'm a bit americanized and forgot it was the soapbox.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]
-
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
but I have never experienced gay promotions
When I was potentially subject to this, in the 60s, it was a whole different ball game. I don't see limiting free speech as a universal right, hate, racism and a few other are limited and rightly so.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I'm fully aware that the right of free speech is contradictory to blocking hate crimes. You have to put it in context: Is your right to be ignorant about homosexuality more important than their right to not be discriminated?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]
-
[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I don't think what you think promote means is the same as promote means in the Russian laws. There is also outrage from much of the rest of the world (it is most definitely not 'these Gay Rights people') because the Russians are linking homosexuality and paedophilia. The laws are not to protect children from being turned gay by colourful pamphlets, but to stop all the gays bumming all the children. When you tell the less learned of your population that homosexuals want to fuck their kids then they form vigilante gangs and go round trying to kick the gay out of anyone who they think might be. Which is exactly what is happening in Russia now.
-
If a kid is oriented towards being gay then they can surely find information without being propagandised. How can they possibly consider a gay relationship "normal" so promoting it as such is wrong, I agree with the Russians on this one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
If a kid is oriented towards being gay then they can surely find information without being propagandised.
In Russia it is now illegal to give any information about homosexuality to those under 18. They can find information no doubt, but whoever has provided that information is breaking the law whatever it says.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
How can they possibly consider a gay relationship "normal" so promoting it as such is wrong,
Are inter-racial relationships "normal"?
-
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
If a kid is oriented towards being gay then they can surely find information without being propagandised.
In Russia it is now illegal to give any information about homosexuality to those under 18. They can find information no doubt, but whoever has provided that information is breaking the law whatever it says.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
How can they possibly consider a gay relationship "normal" so promoting it as such is wrong,
Are inter-racial relationships "normal"?
chriselst wrote:
In Russia it is now illegal to give any information about homosexuality to those under 18
I got the impression it was propagandising to under 18 rather than counselling type info. What the bloody hell does inter-racial got to do with it!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
-
I don't think what you think promote means is the same as promote means in the Russian laws. There is also outrage from much of the rest of the world (it is most definitely not 'these Gay Rights people') because the Russians are linking homosexuality and paedophilia. The laws are not to protect children from being turned gay by colourful pamphlets, but to stop all the gays bumming all the children. When you tell the less learned of your population that homosexuals want to fuck their kids then they form vigilante gangs and go round trying to kick the gay out of anyone who they think might be. Which is exactly what is happening in Russia now.
You could be right, was not aware of the pedo link they are promoting and the idea of gay bashing is so 1980s.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
-
chriselst wrote:
In Russia it is now illegal to give any information about homosexuality to those under 18
I got the impression it was propagandising to under 18 rather than counselling type info. What the bloody hell does inter-racial got to do with it!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
You are certain that same sex relationships are not normal, presumably because they are less common although they have existed throughout history and do exist in many other animal species. Because you think they are not normal then they should not be talked about in a positive way. Inter-racial relationships by the same measure are not normal, should they also not be talked about in a positive way.
-
You are certain that same sex relationships are not normal, presumably because they are less common although they have existed throughout history and do exist in many other animal species. Because you think they are not normal then they should not be talked about in a positive way. Inter-racial relationships by the same measure are not normal, should they also not be talked about in a positive way.
You are correct I don't consider gay relationships "normal", I do define normal as male/female anything else is an aberration. I don't care if they are common throughout history and you can keep other species, I'm talking about human normal.
chriselst wrote:
Because you think they are not normal then they should not be talked about in a positive way.
I have no idea where you got that from, I am not gay bashing just don't get why they are so militant on the Russian thing (I understand the vigilantism and find it disturbing). Inter-racial has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, I don't care how "common" they are and they certainly can't be measured in the same way, preposterous. If they are male/female they rate as normal IMHO.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
-
You are correct I don't consider gay relationships "normal", I do define normal as male/female anything else is an aberration. I don't care if they are common throughout history and you can keep other species, I'm talking about human normal.
chriselst wrote:
Because you think they are not normal then they should not be talked about in a positive way.
I have no idea where you got that from, I am not gay bashing just don't get why they are so militant on the Russian thing (I understand the vigilantism and find it disturbing). Inter-racial has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, I don't care how "common" they are and they certainly can't be measured in the same way, preposterous. If they are male/female they rate as normal IMHO.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
But lots of people do consider inter-racial relationships not normal and wrong, even immoral. Are their prejudices wrong and yours are right? At least you recognise that your opposition is simply a prejudice and not born out of any reason. Completely pointless trying to reason against such a thing.
-
But lots of people do consider inter-racial relationships not normal and wrong, even immoral. Are their prejudices wrong and yours are right? At least you recognise that your opposition is simply a prejudice and not born out of any reason. Completely pointless trying to reason against such a thing.
-
But lots of people do consider inter-racial relationships not normal and wrong, even immoral. Are their prejudices wrong and yours are right? At least you recognise that your opposition is simply a prejudice and not born out of any reason. Completely pointless trying to reason against such a thing.
chriselst wrote:
But lots of people do consider inter-racial relationships not normal and wrong, even immoral.
Yeah and there are lots of fundie idiots too. For me, my prejudices are absolutely right, what you want to think/feel is your issue and I don't give a rats what it is as long as I don't have to deal with it.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
-
[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I don't want to discuss what promotion of being gay really means in the end, nor whether it should be allowed. Whatsoever, I don't see any problems talking about 'being gay' the same way parents talk to their kids about sex ed. What really concerns me is the fact that a lot of people got beaten up by fascist russians for being gay, and that is something which should be forbidden by the state. You can't allow anyone to beat up someone just for their sexual orientation, or anything else. Source 1[^] Source 2[^] Note: Watch the video and tell me if you think that the shown action is okay to you.
Clean-up crew needed, grammar spill... - Nagy Vilmos
-
Does any country on earth accept 'promotion' of gayness? Is there an example anywhere on earth where it has been 'promoted'? Cant think of any myself. Fact is its worse than that. Russia is anti gay because Putaian is a Faschist. Period. If anyone doesnt think so they are an idiot.
-
Quote:
Does any country on earth accept 'promotion' of gayness?
Do you not watch TV in the US?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
-
Quote:
Isn't fat_boy in Europe though?
1. If he is, isn't Europe even worse than the US? I haven't been there but from what I have heard morals almost don't exist there, in the media at least. 2. I have called him out on this. He makes posts where one minute he's in Europe and the next he's in California and then he's in Germany. Either he travels a ton or lives in his mother's basement and flies with Flight Simulator. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
-
[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Ten years ago, they argued that it was nature, not nurture. Now they're pushing to nurture kids and teach them that they're not born straight. If it's okay for you to be gay and raise your kid gay, it's okay for me to be straight and raise my kid straight. They're conflicting ideologies. You can't teach both.
-
Quote:
Isn't fat_boy in Europe though?
1. If he is, isn't Europe even worse than the US? I haven't been there but from what I have heard morals almost don't exist there, in the media at least. 2. I have called him out on this. He makes posts where one minute he's in Europe and the next he's in California and then he's in Germany. Either he travels a ton or lives in his mother's basement and flies with Flight Simulator. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
-
You are certain that same sex relationships are not normal, presumably because they are less common although they have existed throughout history and do exist in many other animal species. Because you think they are not normal then they should not be talked about in a positive way. Inter-racial relationships by the same measure are not normal, should they also not be talked about in a positive way.
I agree with you that they are comparable. Just think back 100 years ago. I think black/white marriage was as "offensive" in the US as gay marriage..
-
Quote:
Isn't fat_boy in Europe though?
1. If he is, isn't Europe even worse than the US? I haven't been there but from what I have heard morals almost don't exist there, in the media at least. 2. I have called him out on this. He makes posts where one minute he's in Europe and the next he's in California and then he's in Germany. Either he travels a ton or lives in his mother's basement and flies with Flight Simulator. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
one minute he's in Europe and the next he's in California and then he's in Germany
Germany is in Europe. Originally from UK, lived in France for a number of years, recently working on a contract in Germany, currently considering a contract in Belgium.