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    Gregory Gadow
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    What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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      What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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      Variant of "Wolf In the Fold", Star Trek 1967. What's old is new again. :-)

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        What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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        Ravi Bhavnani
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        Gregory.Gadow wrote:

        What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it.

        Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :) /ravi

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          Variant of "Wolf In the Fold", Star Trek 1967. What's old is new again. :-)

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          Gregory Gadow
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          Not quite: I don't think Depp's character is able to jump from body to body. I think it is more like Arthur C. Clarke's "Dial F For Frankenstein" mixed in with a bunch of transhumanist hooey.

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            Gregory.Gadow wrote:

            What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it.

            Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :) /ravi

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            Gregory Gadow
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            Being a long time fan of science fiction, a reader of cyberpunk and an aspiring SF/F author myself, allow me to fix your post

            Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :~

            For now, at least.

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              What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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              Gregory.Gadow wrote:

              we could upload a human mind into it.

              That's the one piece of the puzzle that is still nowhere near to being solved.

              Veni, vidi, abiit domum

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                Being a long time fan of science fiction, a reader of cyberpunk and an aspiring SF/F author myself, allow me to fix your post

                Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :~

                For now, at least.

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                Agreed. :-D /ravi

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                  What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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                  I got an ad when I first went to watch the trailer for Transcendence on YouTube. The ad? The trailer for Transcendence. *boom* mind blown.

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                    Gregory.Gadow wrote:

                    we could upload a human mind into it.

                    That's the one piece of the puzzle that is still nowhere near to being solved.

                    Veni, vidi, abiit domum

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                    Oh I dunno - you could download most QA questioner minds into a Z80...and most spammers into an Intel 4004[^]

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                      Variant of "Wolf In the Fold", Star Trek 1967. What's old is new again. :-)

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                      {dc7c68de-3931-43b9-9102-6dbe3972c5c3} wrote:

                      Variant of "Wolf In the Fold", Star Trek 1967.

                      I thought you were off by a year, so I looked it up. "Wolf in the Fold" first aired Dec 22, 1967. You were right. +5 from me. I'll go back to my corner now...

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                        Oh I dunno - you could download most QA questioner minds into a Z80...and most spammers into an Intel 4004[^]

                        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                        Gregory Gadow
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                        I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.

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                          I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.

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                          I once worked on a system that had 8" floppies. No idea what capacity they were, probably about 256 bytes.

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                            I once worked on a system that had 8" floppies. No idea what capacity they were, probably about 256 bytes.

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                            Matt T Heffron
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                            Actually about 1MB

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                              I once worked on a system that had 8" floppies. No idea what capacity they were, probably about 256 bytes.

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                              Matt T Heffron
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                              Side note: The interior of the Borg cube in STTNG:Q Who[^] has arrays of 8" floppy drives on the walls for the technical look!

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                                I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.

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                                You are probably right: 360K should hold a quite a few spammers! :laugh:

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                                  What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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                                  Gregory.Gadow wrote:

                                  Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind?

                                  One might as well wonder about magic since current advances would suggest the same likelihood as the scenario you presented. Beyond that though... In your scenario is there only one human mind or many? If many then of course, since more computers is, presumably, more power, then there would be resource wars. If only one or just a few then it would be humans versus computers again in a battle for resources. One might also presume that the upload brain is faster. Thus even supposing that it was able to find more interesting things to think about, what happens if it becomes bored?

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                                    Being a long time fan of science fiction, a reader of cyberpunk and an aspiring SF/F author myself, allow me to fix your post

                                    Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :~

                                    For now, at least.

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                                    Gregory.Gadow wrote:

                                    For now, at least.

                                    For a very long time at least. AI research has been going on since shortly after computers were invented and the result of all of that has been less than amazing. Other fields have make significant gains with the advent of computers but AI hasn't had any amazing breakthroughs.

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                                      What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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                                      Simon ORiordan from UK
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                                      I'm looking forward to living forever. I'm more bothered about who will be the gatekeepers. Will people will mental health issues be 'filtered'?(Eugenics). And so on. :sigh:

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                                        Gregory.Gadow wrote:

                                        Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind?

                                        One might as well wonder about magic since current advances would suggest the same likelihood as the scenario you presented. Beyond that though... In your scenario is there only one human mind or many? If many then of course, since more computers is, presumably, more power, then there would be resource wars. If only one or just a few then it would be humans versus computers again in a battle for resources. One might also presume that the upload brain is faster. Thus even supposing that it was able to find more interesting things to think about, what happens if it becomes bored?

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                                        Dave Thomson
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                                        This is what will happen when a human mind is uploaded to a computer Daemon (by Daniel-Suarez)[^] However, there is clearly a very long way to go before a computer can even come close to the speed of a human brain if this experiment is anything to go by Supercomputer-models-one-second-of-human-brain-activity[^], 1 second of human brain activity = 40 minutes for a supercomputer :|

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                                          What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.

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                                          If one would to upload a human mind into a super-puter, would that really be AI? Jokes about 'blondes colouring their hair' etc. surely to follow. ;-)

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