Transcendence
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Being a long time fan of science fiction, a reader of cyberpunk and an aspiring SF/F author myself, allow me to fix your post
Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :~
For now, at least.
Agreed. :-D /ravi
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
we could upload a human mind into it.
That's the one piece of the puzzle that is still nowhere near to being solved.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
Oh I dunno - you could download most QA questioner minds into a Z80...and most spammers into an Intel 4004[^]
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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{dc7c68de-3931-43b9-9102-6dbe3972c5c3} wrote:
Variant of "Wolf In the Fold", Star Trek 1967.
I thought you were off by a year, so I looked it up. "Wolf in the Fold" first aired Dec 22, 1967. You were right. +5 from me. I'll go back to my corner now...
Never moon a werewolf. - Harvey
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Oh I dunno - you could download most QA questioner minds into a Z80...and most spammers into an Intel 4004[^]
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.
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I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.
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I once worked on a system that had 8" floppies. No idea what capacity they were, probably about 256 bytes.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
Actually about 1MB
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I once worked on a system that had 8" floppies. No idea what capacity they were, probably about 256 bytes.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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I dare say that most spammers could be downloaded to a floppy diskette. More specifically, a single sided, single density 5 1/4.
You are probably right: 360K should hold a quite a few spammers! :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind?
One might as well wonder about magic since current advances would suggest the same likelihood as the scenario you presented. Beyond that though... In your scenario is there only one human mind or many? If many then of course, since more computers is, presumably, more power, then there would be resource wars. If only one or just a few then it would be humans versus computers again in a battle for resources. One might also presume that the upload brain is faster. Thus even supposing that it was able to find more interesting things to think about, what happens if it becomes bored?
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Being a long time fan of science fiction, a reader of cyberpunk and an aspiring SF/F author myself, allow me to fix your post
Unfortunately, that thought is still the realm of science fiction. :~
For now, at least.
Gregory.Gadow wrote:
For now, at least.
For a very long time at least. AI research has been going on since shortly after computers were invented and the result of all of that has been less than amazing. Other fields have make significant gains with the advent of computers but AI hasn't had any amazing breakthroughs.
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
I'm looking forward to living forever. I'm more bothered about who will be the gatekeepers. Will people will mental health issues be 'filtered'?(Eugenics). And so on. :sigh:
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Gregory.Gadow wrote:
Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind?
One might as well wonder about magic since current advances would suggest the same likelihood as the scenario you presented. Beyond that though... In your scenario is there only one human mind or many? If many then of course, since more computers is, presumably, more power, then there would be resource wars. If only one or just a few then it would be humans versus computers again in a battle for resources. One might also presume that the upload brain is faster. Thus even supposing that it was able to find more interesting things to think about, what happens if it becomes bored?
This is what will happen when a human mind is uploaded to a computer Daemon (by Daniel-Suarez)[^] However, there is clearly a very long way to go before a computer can even come close to the speed of a human brain if this experiment is anything to go by Supercomputer-models-one-second-of-human-brain-activity[^], 1 second of human brain activity = 40 minutes for a supercomputer :|
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
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Actually about 1MB
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Agreed. :-D /ravi
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This is what will happen when a human mind is uploaded to a computer Daemon (by Daniel-Suarez)[^] However, there is clearly a very long way to go before a computer can even come close to the speed of a human brain if this experiment is anything to go by Supercomputer-models-one-second-of-human-brain-activity[^], 1 second of human brain activity = 40 minutes for a supercomputer :|
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
To Quote my AI professor (Circa 1991): When you can clearly define Intelligence... Then and only then will we have a definition for Artificial Intelligence. In the absence of that, lets just agree to call it "Magical Human-Like Problem Solving!" And the "Magical" part goes away once you understand how it works. We write programs with a purpose. Usually, a very specific purpose. We do not write a program and say "There... You can learn. Now go and find your purpose." The need to eat and sleep, and process what happened during the day. The need to rely on others, and the feelings we have. Frankly, our goals should be to make dogs/cats first (Kujo V2.0 anyone? He's back, and he's been reading your emails!)
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
Downloading a Human mind into a computer would destroy the computer since the involved AI sentient-being would not be able to handle the massive stupidity it was getting. People overrate the ability of Humans to reason...
Steve Naidamast Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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What if, in the near future, advances in technology allowed us to build massive arrays of supercomputers able to support emergent artificial intelligence. What if such an array was complex enough that we could upload a human mind into it. And what if that mind, freed from organic constraints and with storage, power and speed far beyond what a mere brain could provide, had tools at its disposal -- including programmable, self-assembling nanobot -- to shape the world as it saw fit. Would it be the next stage in human evolution? Or would it be the end of human kind? Transcendence[^] It looks like a very interesting movie, but I suspect it will have one of those awful "love conquers all and saves existence yet again" kind of endings.
Some already believe that the process is underway (e.g. Ray Kurzweil). The process will not involve uploading anything, but our current mind will be augmented with our technology to improve our intelligence incrementally. If you consider the tools that we have this day which extend our capability: our memory (the collective knowledge of the Internet), our calculative skills (a calculator), our ability to communicate, our planning and organisational skills, we have already started along this path. The tools that we use are not physically connected to us, but they are an integral part of our consciousness. I think this a much more likely outcome in the short term. The big departure from this will come from more invasive interaction with our technology. This boundary will only be broken when we have overcome societal issues. We're seeing this with Google Glass at the moment. We are interested in the technology but we distrust those that use it (in some cases probably rightly so).
