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What part of the US are you in? It isn't that bad in the UK, no where near, only a few Asians, so I guess the US must have really pushed to get them over while at the same time Americans didn't fancy a life as a coder. Don't blame them, its a pretty crap job in many ways, and you have to be cut out for it.
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013You think that is bad, where I am currently has decided to move away from programmers and outsource (sole source) to two companies in India both convicted of felonies in the U.S. for Visa fraud. We have so many people on site that are rotated out ... in fact, some of them were involved in the recent Visa Fraud case. It isn't that there aren't enough developers in the United States but that companies think they don't need to have skill. Instead they outsource but don't insource the required staff to properly create specifications. So what you get is a large group of people that will say yes all the way until you hit a mountain. With no offense to any person from India, when I was learning to be a pilot I was warned by numerous instructors, When you here some one with an Accent from India be on the lookout, they will follow the rules into the ground. As a pilot with less than 200 hours I have had three encounters which I would say, "I am glad I was on the look out" but nothing reportable. Personally, I think outsource could be great but, I have yet to see a place where the programmers in house didn't spend the morning fixing the errors from overseas the previous night. I even worked at a place that gave the overseas people a "fake" environment and just did the work themselves because the offshore center did more bad than good.
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans European immigrants and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
FTFY :-D What is more depressing that there are 5 European immigrants or there are 26 hard working folks? :~
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There's also his half-cousin, Running From Wolves.
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Hmm, What's an american name? :doh: Serious question.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
What's an american name?
White Eagle Running Bear Crazy Horse Geronimo Little Turtle Sitting Bull Abooksigun Abukcheech Akule Chochmingwu Choviohoya Kokyangwuti Naalnish Naalyehe ya sidahi Kohkahycumest Nahiossi And my favorite Kuwanyamtiwa - Beautiful badger going over the hill (Hopi) Names like that. :-D
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
What's an american name?
White Eagle Running Bear Crazy Horse Geronimo Little Turtle Sitting Bull Abooksigun Abukcheech Akule Chochmingwu Choviohoya Kokyangwuti Naalnish Naalyehe ya sidahi Kohkahycumest Nahiossi And my favorite Kuwanyamtiwa - Beautiful badger going over the hill (Hopi) Names like that. :-D
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
John Simmons for one.
Wrong - European immigrant :~
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You forgot Kumanawannalaya
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How can I have forgotten Kumanawannalaya. :doh:
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jeron1 wrote:
Remember, at some point Simmons was a foreign name.
Simmons is a foreign name. :rolleyes:
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I haven't been in a team in the UK where the majority is English for many years. Might have been in 2006, I think. Mind you, as soon as I join a team, the proportion of foreigners goes up.
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I haven't been in a team in the UK where the majority is English for many years. Might have been in 2006, I think. Mind you, as soon as I join a team, the proportion of foreigners goes up.
Orjan Westin wrote:
Mind you, as soon as I join a team, the proportion of foreigners goes up.
Are you from India or Pakistan? :~
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Well, you have been auditioning for the role of "endangering species" for years; looks like you finally found the theater, and the play. As we say in showbiz: "break a leg."
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The reason for the fewer numbers in the UK is because all of the work has been shipped out to India! ;)
Yeah, that has happened. Same for US firms too though, but how come so many ended up in the US though?
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jeron1 wrote:
Remember, at some point Simmons was a foreign name.
Simmons is a foreign name. :rolleyes:
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
What's an american name?
White Eagle Running Bear Crazy Horse Geronimo Little Turtle Sitting Bull Abooksigun Abukcheech Akule Chochmingwu Choviohoya Kokyangwuti Naalnish Naalyehe ya sidahi Kohkahycumest Nahiossi And my favorite Kuwanyamtiwa - Beautiful badger going over the hill (Hopi) Names like that. :-D
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My point exactly.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
What's an american name?
Thank you for giving me an opportunity to give respect to Native Americans. Although they also immigrated to the Americas from Asia, albeit a long time ago.
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I tell it like it is. :-D
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Indian/Pakistani
In the same office sitting next to each other is a feat in and of itself. --- In our office we have Chinese, Indians and quite a few first gen. Russians. Problem occurs at lunch when food aromas woft through the air many very delicious, or when one wants to run up and down the stairwell at lunch and there is someone doing Tai Chi on one of the landings in the stairwell.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Indian/Pakistani
In the same office sitting next to each other is a feat in and of itself. --- In our office we have Chinese, Indians and quite a few first gen. Russians. Problem occurs at lunch when food aromas woft through the air many very delicious, or when one wants to run up and down the stairwell at lunch and there is someone doing Tai Chi on one of the landings in the stairwell.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Indian/Pakistani
In the same office sitting next to each other is a feat in and of itself.
Talk about depression. :suss:
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