Depressing
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So, this is what you do when you should be rather working, and YOU are depressed about it? Why don't you take your little gun and do a round of shooting in your office like you retards always do? Hopefully you'll find no 'foreigners' in the jail.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013When we were made redundant in 2009 to you-know-where we replaced our name plates with the date we were leaving. Before that, the HR folks were often seen walking around. Once they saw the names were replaced with dates we never saw them again. The firm also used to have these stick-your-finger-down-your-throat motivation prints on the wall, like the one showing a rowing eight with the cheesy caption "If we all pull together we can win the race." They took those down; mission accomplished? :-D
If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.
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So what's the depressing part? - That you're prepared to work for a small sum of money - That your fellow country-men are less hard-working than others - Or that your performance is scrutinized more than it may have been in the past. As a 4th/5th generation Aussie, I can assure you that in a previous job at a local university, the hardest workers were all in from families that had been here for less time than mine, the majority coming from India or Sri-Lanka. They were the least likely to goof-off if they had 'spare' time when there was a process that could be improved, and the most likely to be what I considered bright. They were incidentally, the most friendly and family-oriented people too. Sure, my sample-size was tiny - there were only 300 of us that I had regular/semi-regular contact with. But I'd work with 'imports' every day of the week if I could, much sooner than 'locals'. Complacency is the enemy of the successful. :)
Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this person does not have the ability to understand what you're trying to say here. :)
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Nope. The level of racism is far higher in the UK. I know an Indian girl with a Master's degree from Penn State University who couldn't get a job as a coder in the UK while high school graduates were being hired for coding positions. PS. If she had stayed in the US, she would have found a job. She married and had to move to the UK to be with her husband.
Vivic wrote:
The level of racism is far higher in the UK.
You are joking right? The level of racism in the States is much much higher than the UK which is one of the most race=tolerant Countries in the World. Putting the fact that your friend couldn't get a job down to racism is extremely lazy.
Vivic wrote:
If she had stayed in the US, she would have found a job.
How can you know that, and if it is true doesn't that just mean they have more job openings?
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So what's the depressing part? - That you're prepared to work for a small sum of money - That your fellow country-men are less hard-working than others - Or that your performance is scrutinized more than it may have been in the past. As a 4th/5th generation Aussie, I can assure you that in a previous job at a local university, the hardest workers were all in from families that had been here for less time than mine, the majority coming from India or Sri-Lanka. They were the least likely to goof-off if they had 'spare' time when there was a process that could be improved, and the most likely to be what I considered bright. They were incidentally, the most friendly and family-oriented people too. Sure, my sample-size was tiny - there were only 300 of us that I had regular/semi-regular contact with. But I'd work with 'imports' every day of the week if I could, much sooner than 'locals'. Complacency is the enemy of the successful. :)
enhzflep wrote:
So what's the depressing part?
A level of insecurity can't be expressed by words.
enhzflep wrote:
- That your fellow country-men are less hard-working than others
May be this is the most likely reason. He got out numbered by other hardworking people around the Globe and its depressing not to have colleague from your own country. May be a kind of insecurity where you think other people are snatching jobs from your own countryman.
enhzflep wrote:
That you're prepared to work for a small sum of money
This is another most obvious reason to get depressed. As you might have always feeling that you will be replaced by those people who are ready to work for the same price without looking for handsome pay rise.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.
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So, this is what you do when you should be rather working, and YOU are depressed about it? Why don't you take your little gun and do a round of shooting in your office like you retards always do? Hopefully you'll find no 'foreigners' in the jail.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
So, this is what you do when you should be rather working, and YOU are depressed about it?
I work 10 hours per day MINIMUM. I get to work before the sun comes up, and sometimes don't leave until the sun goes down (10-14-hour days, mostly because there's only two of us supporting more than 2 million lines of code). And then I work at home on the weekends. Please don't assume you know my work habits, or presume to suggest what I should be doing once I get to work. My observations regarding the ratio of American to 3rd-world workers are merely a statement on the sad state of affairs in MY country regarding programmer jobs. American programmers aren't being replaced with off shore people because the American's suck at their jobs - it's because off-shore doesn't cost NEARLY as much. I'm sure if they could find someone that would work for less than you guys, they'd use them instead of you, and then you'd be complaining just as loudly.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Why don't you take your little gun and do a round of shooting in your office like you retards always do? Hopefully you'll find no 'foreigners' in the jail.
"You retards always do"? There are over 30 million American gun owners, and of that number, a statistically insignificant fraction of a fraction of them have shot up their work place. I count myself as part of the much larger generally non-insane group.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
So, this is what you do when you should be rather working, and YOU are depressed about it?
I work 10 hours per day MINIMUM. I get to work before the sun comes up, and sometimes don't leave until the sun goes down (10-14-hour days, mostly because there's only two of us supporting more than 2 million lines of code). And then I work at home on the weekends. Please don't assume you know my work habits, or presume to suggest what I should be doing once I get to work. My observations regarding the ratio of American to 3rd-world workers are merely a statement on the sad state of affairs in MY country regarding programmer jobs. American programmers aren't being replaced with off shore people because the American's suck at their jobs - it's because off-shore doesn't cost NEARLY as much. I'm sure if they could find someone that would work for less than you guys, they'd use them instead of you, and then you'd be complaining just as loudly.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Why don't you take your little gun and do a round of shooting in your office like you retards always do? Hopefully you'll find no 'foreigners' in the jail.
"You retards always do"? There are over 30 million American gun owners, and of that number, a statistically insignificant fraction of a fraction of them have shot up their work place. I count myself as part of the much larger generally non-insane group.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I work 10 hours per day MINIMUM. I get to work before the sun comes up, and sometimes don't leave until the sun goes down (10-14-hour days, mostly because there's only two of us supporting more than 2 million lines of code). And then I work at home on the weekends.
MINIMUM 10 hours a day? And you work on the weekends? Unless you're paid for that extra stuff, I think you are being ripped off by your employer, but that's just my opinion.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Please don't assume you know my work habits, or presume to suggest what I should be doing once I get to work.
Fair enough, but I was only suggesting that counting the name plates isn't productive in any way to your employer. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
My observations regarding the ratio of American to 3rd-world workers are merely a statement on the sad state of affairs in MY country regarding programmer jobs. American programmers aren't being replaced with off shore people because the American's suck at their jobs - it's because off-shore doesn't cost NEARLY as much. I'm sure if they could find someone that would work for less than you guys, they'd use them instead of you, and then you'd be complaining just as loudly.
I have a feeling that you are using the word "American" rather loosely. An American is a person who is a citizen of the USA. And that could either come by way of birth in the USA, or by having been granted by the government of the USA. And I see no difference between the two, except for that one person was born there, and another wasn't (which I think makes them an 'immigrant' for you). However, if immigrants are not Americans, then only the native tribals who were the earliest known settlers are true Americans (you are an immigrant in this case). Sure, your family immigrated earlier than the others who are doing now, but you're still an outsider and you should go back and do your nameplate counting again. Perhaps there are no real "Americans" working in your office, then. You're again loosely using the term 'off-shore'. Off-shoring is when your company establishes themselves in a country other than their own, and employ people there. In that case, those people are still very much employees of your company, and are not any different from you except for tha
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I work 10 hours per day MINIMUM. I get to work before the sun comes up, and sometimes don't leave until the sun goes down (10-14-hour days, mostly because there's only two of us supporting more than 2 million lines of code). And then I work at home on the weekends.
MINIMUM 10 hours a day? And you work on the weekends? Unless you're paid for that extra stuff, I think you are being ripped off by your employer, but that's just my opinion.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Please don't assume you know my work habits, or presume to suggest what I should be doing once I get to work.
Fair enough, but I was only suggesting that counting the name plates isn't productive in any way to your employer. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
My observations regarding the ratio of American to 3rd-world workers are merely a statement on the sad state of affairs in MY country regarding programmer jobs. American programmers aren't being replaced with off shore people because the American's suck at their jobs - it's because off-shore doesn't cost NEARLY as much. I'm sure if they could find someone that would work for less than you guys, they'd use them instead of you, and then you'd be complaining just as loudly.
I have a feeling that you are using the word "American" rather loosely. An American is a person who is a citizen of the USA. And that could either come by way of birth in the USA, or by having been granted by the government of the USA. And I see no difference between the two, except for that one person was born there, and another wasn't (which I think makes them an 'immigrant' for you). However, if immigrants are not Americans, then only the native tribals who were the earliest known settlers are true Americans (you are an immigrant in this case). Sure, your family immigrated earlier than the others who are doing now, but you're still an outsider and you should go back and do your nameplate counting again. Perhaps there are no real "Americans" working in your office, then. You're again loosely using the term 'off-shore'. Off-shoring is when your company establishes themselves in a country other than their own, and employ people there. In that case, those people are still very much employees of your company, and are not any different from you except for tha
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
MINIMUM 10 hours a day? And you work on the weekends? Unless you're paid for that extra stuff, I think you are being ripped off by your employer, but that's just my opinion.
That's the nature of "exempt" worker status. They pay you an annual salary - period - no matter how many hours you work. There is no overtime, and if you're particularly unlucky, there's no comp time either. We have people here that haven't seen a pay-raise of any kind in over three years. All of this goes hand-in-hand with the lower costs of using offshore programmers.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Fair enough, but I was only suggesting that counting the name plates isn't productive in any way to your employer. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
It took less than two minutes, and I did it at 6:50am on my way back from getting my first cup of coffee. Given my typical extended work week, I'm positive that the time wasn't noticed by the bean counters. After all, nobody else was in the office.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Walking around the office this morning, I counted name plates - five Americans and 26 Indian/Pakistani.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Well i can understand your depression. Here in india in my team of 10 there are 6 American and good for nothing...they just sit around and bitch about climate,road and other stuff as if we called them here. And in production side i had to always review their work and it's always a mess.Even i feel depress working with American but it's can't help it's company policy
