Help: Career Advice needed
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
It helps to have experience writing software to really understand security. Once you've written it, you'll have a better understanding of how to hack it. Software dev skills are definatly more transferable and what you chose to start with is not what you have to pursue for the rest of your years so you don't need to put so much pressure on the decision you make now. Things change and so will you Good luck
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
Nobody is interested in security until it's too late to do anything about it.
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
When you are just starting out (I wish people would stop using the word 'fresher' :| ), you should not think about specializing in a particular field. If you like to develop software, become a developer and stay current on security related issues, getting as much experience in the field as possible, then after a couple of years you can start specializing. The thing is, there are not that many companies that have dedicated software security experts on staff, so if that is all you know, it could be difficult for you to find a job. Once you have experience (no serious company is going to hire an inexperienced developer as a security expert), you could find yourself in very high demand as a contractor. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
Do both. Every software company needs at least one security conscious developer. This should be a plus on your side when interviewing for a plain developer job. Also, many computer security companies provide auditing services. After the audit, they assist with remediation of any problems found. A security conscious developer is definitely needed here. In between remediation projects, you can still do pen-testing.
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When you are just starting out (I wish people would stop using the word 'fresher' :| ), you should not think about specializing in a particular field. If you like to develop software, become a developer and stay current on security related issues, getting as much experience in the field as possible, then after a couple of years you can start specializing. The thing is, there are not that many companies that have dedicated software security experts on staff, so if that is all you know, it could be difficult for you to find a job. Once you have experience (no serious company is going to hire an inexperienced developer as a security expert), you could find yourself in very high demand as a contractor. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
Some Indianspeak... :) "fresher" == college freshman (i.e. "novice") "fundas" == fundamentals (i.e. fundamental knowledge of a scientific topic) E.g: "For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good." /ravi
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Some Indianspeak... :) "fresher" == college freshman (i.e. "novice") "fundas" == fundamentals (i.e. fundamental knowledge of a scientific topic) E.g: "For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good." /ravi
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Yeah, I have figured out what the term means, I just really hate it.
Quote:
"For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good."
So, the IndianTextSpeak version is something like "4 a frshr, ur fndz rock" :-\ Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
Well, if you're trying to eventually get into the security thing... you probably have to have a base of the technology you're trying to protect (or "test"). Knowing about networking, socket programming, and web technologies, would somewhat lay the path for that. As someone already mentioned though, it's probably going to be rare that someone will hire someone with no experience for a security position, so be prepared to start off somewhere else and try to build a foundation with your current job for your future job. If you want to be a developer, you pretty much have to choose a technology that you don't only like but also one that has significant demand so that you can actually find a job once you're done with college. With that said, game development might be interesting and fun... but how many jobs are in that field versus how many people want to do it? I would imagine that's a tough field to get into.
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
In my opinion and my personal experience is that "experience is your greatest" teacher as my father always says. Get involved in those areas that your curious about. At the first introductory level those areas may sound great from their description, but once you become more involved you very well may love it or hate it. Or maybe you might not hate it, but don't have the day to day passion for it. What I am trying to get is the Nike motto "Just Do It". You will know very soon if your interested in it or not. When I was in college I had such a strong passion for computer graphics whether it's making games or designing tools for game developers. Actually, anything computer graphics related I had a strong passion for. The more I got involved in those areas the one thing I found out that I absolutely loved just making things not necessarily games or anything game related. I would never have found that out if I didn't at least try. Currently, I write programs that have nothing to do with games, and I am ok with that because I am doing something that I love: making tools for engineers to better the world (I hope). It's great to ask for advice from those more experienced, but at the end of the day this is your life and you have to live it. Make mistakes and learn from them. Just my thoughts.
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Some Indianspeak... :) "fresher" == college freshman (i.e. "novice") "fundas" == fundamentals (i.e. fundamental knowledge of a scientific topic) E.g: "For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good." /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
"fresher" == college freshman (i.e. "novice")
Are you sure? I always assumed what people meant is that they are "fresh" out of college (usually an under-grad / bachelor's) and have zero experience professionally.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
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When you are just starting out (I wish people would stop using the word 'fresher' :| ), you should not think about specializing in a particular field. If you like to develop software, become a developer and stay current on security related issues, getting as much experience in the field as possible, then after a couple of years you can start specializing. The thing is, there are not that many companies that have dedicated software security experts on staff, so if that is all you know, it could be difficult for you to find a job. Once you have experience (no serious company is going to hire an inexperienced developer as a security expert), you could find yourself in very high demand as a contractor. Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
Well said. :thumbsup:
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
You sound way too much into movies. Or you just want to beat that Counter Strike champion in university. Now,
Ashwin2013 wrote:
1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop
a)Software Applications
b)Web Developing
c)Game Developing1. You want to do something on your own, start a business. Job has nothing to do with it. 2. Almost everything that runs on a computer is a software application. 3. Web development is huge. Where do you thin you fit in? And please do not think of movies here. 4. Have you tried game development ever? As far as your fascination with hacking related jobs go, it is boring. I have done it for 1 year 7 months. Trust me, whatever you saw in movies does not apply in real World. I would recommend you to think outside of movies and revenge and really consider what you want to do.
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Yeah, I have figured out what the term means, I just really hate it.
Quote:
"For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good."
So, the IndianTextSpeak version is something like "4 a frshr, ur fndz rock" :-\ Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
"fresher" == college freshman (i.e. "novice")
Are you sure? I always assumed what people meant is that they are "fresh" out of college (usually an under-grad / bachelor's) and have zero experience professionally.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
Yes, I'm sure. In the 70s, it was a given that all IIT freshers (freshmen) were ragged (hazed). :) /ravi
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Yes, I'm sure. In the 70s, it was a given that all IIT freshers (freshmen) were ragged (hazed). :) /ravi
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Okay, it's possible that recently it's assumed a new meaning. The OP does not seem to be a college freshman, and seems to be someone looking for a job.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
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Okay, it's possible that recently it's assumed a new meaning. The OP does not seem to be a college freshman, and seems to be someone looking for a job.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
I think the generic meaning of fresher is "noob". A fresher at university is a freshman, a fresher at a law firm would be a junior associate (who has yet to pass the bar exam), a fresher at McKinsey would probably be someone they hired right out of school, etc. I (literally) hate to say it, but a "CP fresher" would probably be a CPian with less than 1K points. /ravi
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I think the generic meaning of fresher is "noob". A fresher at university is a freshman, a fresher at a law firm would be a junior associate (who has yet to pass the bar exam), a fresher at McKinsey would probably be someone they hired right out of school, etc. I (literally) hate to say it, but a "CP fresher" would probably be a CPian with less than 1K points. /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I (literally) hate to say it, but a "CP fresher" would probably be a CPian with less than 1K points.
:laugh:
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com Latest article: C++ 11 features in Visual C++ 2013 Preview
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
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Hello CPs I would like some ideas and advises from senior CPs and experienced programmers. I am interested in programming and security(as in hacking). I am a novice in C++,C#,VB.NET. I learnt Penetration testing and hacking for becoming a security professional. But my problem now is I don't know which field to choose. 1)Developer or 2)Security Professional. 1)If I am going to be a developer what kind of applications I want to develop a)Software Applications b)Web Developing c)Game Developing As you can see each field is different from each other. I really love games and want to go for game programming but I'm not really good with equations and complex calculations. But I can learn any programming language/framework and its features. 2)As a security professional, There are lot of Job titles. I think its basically Penetration testing, Administration and Analyst. I am greatly inspired by the whole hacking thing. But not a lot of startup positions are available as a hacker(White-hat). So I am really confused here. So this is my career stating point(Fresher). So I would like your suggestions and insights on this. Because I can start shaping myself for the path I choose now. Thanks in advance friends If this is in the wrong section, Please help to move it and I am sorry if my English is bad.
A developer has enormously more freedom than a security expert. You can write programs that play chess, process images; video; 3D scenes; audio; that implement radar systems, medical applications, finance applications, business application, network servers, network clients, implement device drivers, do operating system development, do oil exploration, etc.. Any list I could put here would barely scratch the surface of the breadth of general software development. A good software developer often has to develop expertise that is related to the domain where the software will be used. If you're writing a chess program, you have to know how to play chess. If you're writing an imaging processing program, it's useful to know something about color science. It's not that the field of software security isn't a broad and interesting field, but it is more limited than general software development. As to which field will have more high paying jobs in the future, I have no data on that. However, my answer to you isn't based on what I wrote above. Do whatever you love to do. That's more important than money. If you don't like doing your job, you won't excel at it.
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Yeah, I have figured out what the term means, I just really hate it.
Quote:
"For a fresher, your fundas are pretty damn good."
So, the IndianTextSpeak version is something like "4 a frshr, ur fndz rock" :-\ Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
But it seems to be ok for Aussies, Brits and Kiwis to have their own words in the English language....
Cheers, विक्रम "We have already been through this, I am not going to repeat myself." - fat_boy, in a global warming thread :doh: