Common Core Subtraction
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I understand how they got there
I do not. How does this work ? And how does it scale to 156473-3 ?
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013:wtf: I also just watched Vocabulary through paint chips[^] :omg: Marc
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Is this a real thing? It looks a lot like one of those math troll threads that occasionally appear on .. a certain site.
O Lordy yes, it is a real thing. My wife teaches the gifted in elementary and I have seen this stuff. I think it comes from Singapore or somewhere like that (I saw a book about the method and it had some far away country in the title). Little by little people are starting to question the value of it. Mercifully, my youngest is in the 8th grade and has only had a small sampling of the mathematical madness. I think it all comes from people trying to publish for their Ph.D.s. Create a "new and improved" math concept as your thesis.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013One of the guys at work was talking about this the other day. They are teaching his 6 year old to do math this way. Seems messed up. But with large numbers that is exactly how I do it in my head. There are probably better ways to do it though. All in all, seems really messed up to me.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :WTF:
Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...Side stepping my "Why is there an S added to Lego but missing from Maths rant" And just wait until they move on into programmer roles in the future. Just imagine the length and breadth of their algorithms and functions to accomodate their Common Core stuff. Luckily you'll be retired by then, I hope I am too or at least in another industry.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Common sense says: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's what we got here: failure to apply common sense. "Old" style mathematics got a couple of guys on the moon, lots of stuff in space and all these computers/devices we like so much. That means at least some of the old style calculations got it right. Change for the sake of change is just plain stupid.
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You count up from 12 to 32, using easy incremental steps 12 + 3 = 15, then 15 + 5 = 20, etc util you get to 32. So it could be done shorter as well: 12 + 8 = 20 20 + 10 = 30 30 + 2 = 32 ------------ 8 + 10 + 2 = 20
Jacquers wrote:
You count up from 12 to 32, using easy incremental steps
And what exactly is this "Incremental steps"? Who says you cannot count up from 12 to 32 like this? 12 + 20 = 32 » 32 - 20 = 12 or » 32 - 12 = 20 and as such 20 - 12 = 8 (How do I know that? Well take 32. 3 X 2 = 6 + 2 = 8) :rolleyes: I mean even easier still is take the original problem 32 - 12 = ? 3-1=2_ 2-2=_0 » 32 - 12 = 20 :wtf:
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It is almost as though they are deliberately enstupidising children.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
It is almost as though they are deliberately enstupidising children.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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Common sense says: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's what we got here: failure to apply common sense. "Old" style mathematics got a couple of guys on the moon, lots of stuff in space and all these computers/devices we like so much. That means at least some of the old style calculations got it right. Change for the sake of change is just plain stupid.
Filip Dossche wrote:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
You have seen the educational levels of the average American right?
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I think the idea is to move from the lower number to the larger number in small steps that are each easy to do: 3 + 5 = 8, 8 + 10 = 18, 18 + 2 = 20 Yay! There is the answer! The old way way was obviously way too complicated where you have to do: The "ones" column: 2 - 2 = 0 The "tens" column: 3 - 1 = 2 ...and then you wrote the "tens" answer followed by the "ones" answer to get 20 Yay! There is the answer! Of course, you could make it even easier by only incrementing the lower number by 1 until you reached the larger number and then counting how many times you had to do that. 20 Yes! That should be the new method! Much simpler! Or, for future programmers using nice round, easily remembered numbers:
12 + 4 = 16
16 + 8 = 24
24 + 8 = 32
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20- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I'm in the US and luckily they are not doing that where I live.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013My son's going through this now and it's driving my wife crazy. I've reviewed it and I think I understand the "why" behind it. I've started thinking I look at numbers differently than her. Most Americans learn math by memorization - flash cards, repetitive tables, etc. They don't think about what the numbers actually mean. They are stuck as they have only memorized base 10. What happens when you need to understand base 2, 8, 16, 535? The majority of Americans can't figure those out. They never had flash cards for that. However, this is teaching kids early how to understand the value of the number outside of what they have memorized.
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I think the idea is to move from the lower number to the larger number in small steps that are each easy to do: 3 + 5 = 8, 8 + 10 = 18, 18 + 2 = 20 Yay! There is the answer! The old way way was obviously way too complicated where you have to do: The "ones" column: 2 - 2 = 0 The "tens" column: 3 - 1 = 2 ...and then you wrote the "tens" answer followed by the "ones" answer to get 20 Yay! There is the answer! Of course, you could make it even easier by only incrementing the lower number by 1 until you reached the larger number and then counting how many times you had to do that. 20 Yes! That should be the new method! Much simpler! Or, for future programmers using nice round, easily remembered numbers:
12 + 4 = 16
16 + 8 = 24
24 + 8 = 32
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20- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Of course, you could make it even easier by only incrementing the lower number by 1 until you reached the larger number
You can borrow my fingers if you need to. :)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013The more things change the more they stay the same. Some of you who have small children may have perhaps been put in the embarrassing position of being unable to do your child's arithmetic homework because of the current revolution in mathematics teaching...[^]
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You count up from 12 to 32, using easy incremental steps 12 + 3 = 15, then 15 + 5 = 20, etc util you get to 32. So it could be done shorter as well: 12 + 8 = 20 20 + 10 = 30 30 + 2 = 32 ------------ 8 + 10 + 2 = 20
How is that easier than the simpler way of just saying 32 - 20 = 12. Idiots.
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In the U.S. we're currently suffering through "Common Core" teaching methods (I'll leave it to you to google "Common Core". Most of you remember the way we were taught to do subtraction:
32
-12
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20This is the way Common Core teaches the same problem:
12 + 3 = 15
15 + 5 = 20
20 + 10 = 30
30 + 2 = 32
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20I understand how they got there, but I DON'T understand how that's a better way to do it. :wtf: Maybe it's because a minus sign promotes negative thoughts about math...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Now I don't mean to defend this nonsense. Understanding how to subtract properly is clearly important and the 'count up in increments' method is generally longer and therefore more error prone. However, this is how people often count out change ("that's £6.52, sir" ... *hands over tenner* ... "and your change ... six fifty two, six sixty, seven, eight, ten" as he hands me the 8p, a 10p, two 20s, two £1s and a £2) and it may be a good way in for people who aren't getting it, or want a way to confirm their 'proper' subtraction is working correctly.
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It is almost as though they are deliberately enstupidising children.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
If we don't dumb our kids down who will work for and shop at Walmart?
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