Stay Win XP, Why not?
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Member 4673202 wrote:
this is my personal feeling
So, you're just guessing?
Member 4673202 wrote:
and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software
A bitchy emotional reply right back; you can use XP for whatever you want, it's just no longer supported. Meaning that if you run a bank with Windows XP and something "breaks", then you're simply fucked. As should be. You won't find many people who can repair a betamax video these days. If you insist that it must be used, you do so at your own friggin' risk - don't come asking for help if something breaks.
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I'm wondering if someone is preparing a good Security Package to support all those old win XP pcs:
Firewalls, scanners will not help fix bugs in IE. It will not help make the kernel more secure.
Member 4673202 wrote:
Don't update just because is the new Fashion, update because you need it!!!
I'd recommend against consulting "feelings" when talking about the security of your network. And yes, if the only company that holds the source-code tells you it's being retired, then you HAVE TO. ..and please drop the act that people are being forced to upgrade to "the latest"; there's Vista and Win7 between XP and Weight. It's not like they're forced to running the very latest.
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Firewalls, scanners will not help fix bugs in IE. It will not help make the kernel more secure.
Sorry disagree with this, it can be done by a good and mature development company, but not sure if somebody can see a real marked here. You know, hacks, injection of code, that all works for kernels, as a virus, but this time you are fixing the kernel...
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I'd recommend against consulting "feelings" when talking about the security of your network. And yes, if the only company that holds the source-code tells you it's being retired, then you HAVE TO.
I have been thinking on a better example of this... because I don't see the need to remove thinks just because support have ended, you will continue using them if they still work... then I recall the best example are Cars!!! if you have and old car, that is not supported anymore, you cant get spare parts.... but the car at this moment is 100% functional, will you replace it just because there is no support anymore or will you wait until the car fail and you cant fix it because there is no support?... probably I will wait and I will change when I really need. so remember that I'm concentrated in a business area that have not big impact around the technology they are using, cases were you can live years with a very old PCs, places where they will have the need to change only when as you point there is no people around to support them (no one knows how to install XP!!!) oh something I forgot, I'm not telling we shouldn't upgrade... It's just that I believe there are 2 paths one where is good and were you can upgrade as much as you want and one where you just don't have the need to upgrade and you can live happy without that needs.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
For what it's worth, I've upgraded several systems from XP to Windows 7 and found that they all ran better with the latter. I first ran XP on a system with 1GB of memory. It worked as long as I didn't do much of anything. By SP3, XP had become horrendously bloated and could barely run on a system with 2GB of memory (or even 2.5 GB for one of my systems.) By contrast, Windows 7 runs great on on systems with 2 GB of memory.
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Can you imagine billing 10USD annually by PC_, today the amount of XP machines are still over 30% that should be a huge income!!
Actually, no. People who won't upgrade their OS or computer aren't going to otherwise spend money on their installation. Most are using it as a second system and/or waiting for it to die so they have an excuse to buy something better. (I had such a system. Despite capacitors falling off the Asus motherboard and half a gig of memory not being recognized, it never did die on it's own, so I killed it. Made about $50 selling the CPU, memory, hard drive and video card on eBay.) Finally, whatever UI issues exist with Windows 8.x, it's otherwise a kickass OS.
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Firewalls, scanners will not help fix bugs in IE. It will not help make the kernel more secure.
Sorry disagree with this, it can be done by a good and mature development company, but not sure if somebody can see a real marked here. You know, hacks, injection of code, that all works for kernels, as a virus, but this time you are fixing the kernel...
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I'd recommend against consulting "feelings" when talking about the security of your network. And yes, if the only company that holds the source-code tells you it's being retired, then you HAVE TO.
I have been thinking on a better example of this... because I don't see the need to remove thinks just because support have ended, you will continue using them if they still work... then I recall the best example are Cars!!! if you have and old car, that is not supported anymore, you cant get spare parts.... but the car at this moment is 100% functional, will you replace it just because there is no support anymore or will you wait until the car fail and you cant fix it because there is no support?... probably I will wait and I will change when I really need. so remember that I'm concentrated in a business area that have not big impact around the technology they are using, cases were you can live years with a very old PCs, places where they will have the need to change only when as you point there is no people around to support them (no one knows how to install XP!!!) oh something I forgot, I'm not telling we shouldn't upgrade... It's just that I believe there are 2 paths one where is good and were you can upgrade as much as you want and one where you just don't have the need to upgrade and you can live happy without that needs.
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Sorry disagree with this, it can be done by a good and mature development company
No, it can't; Microsoft owns the source code.
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one where you just don't have the need to upgrade and you can live happy without that needs.
Happy until it breaks, yes.
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Member 4673202 wrote:
Sorry disagree with this, it can be done by a good and mature development company
No, it can't; Microsoft owns the source code.
Member 4673202 wrote:
one where you just don't have the need to upgrade and you can live happy without that needs.
Happy until it breaks, yes.
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No, it can't; Microsoft owns the source code.
My idea is to create DLLs or to inject code when the kernel is already in memory, it can also modify the binary files, but this requires a lot of patience and tremendous knowledge in injection and hacking... not sure if valuable... then you will never require the source code. I have done that before to create small hacks to games but have never tried to create a virus, so not sure how hard is it for and old OS like XP, I'm sure you can apply the injection or hacks to fix the kernel issues, but still not sure if valuable, probably that is one of the reasons nobody is trying to get that market.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
HTML5 ... is the reason you need to drop XP. HTML5 opens door wide open to your computer that antivirus software hasn't a hope to protect you against. Well have fun with XP as the world changes to HTML5.
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No, it can't; Microsoft owns the source code.
My idea is to create DLLs or to inject code when the kernel is already in memory, it can also modify the binary files, but this requires a lot of patience and tremendous knowledge in injection and hacking... not sure if valuable... then you will never require the source code. I have done that before to create small hacks to games but have never tried to create a virus, so not sure how hard is it for and old OS like XP, I'm sure you can apply the injection or hacks to fix the kernel issues, but still not sure if valuable, probably that is one of the reasons nobody is trying to get that market.
Finding a number in memory that represents something in-game and changing it isn't hard - and it's not hacking. Reading binary code, finding out what it does, and change it - is hard. Further, it'd be illegal; Windows not your property.
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I have two file servers at home for my video, ebook and music collections. Why did I put XP on them and then use them as file servers, you ask? Well, simple. I had XP on them already and it worked fine for my home network; I didn't need Windows Server. Until they die physically, I expect to continue running XP on them. "But XP is no longer supported by Microsoft", you cry! Who cares? They work right now doing what I am using them for. They work great. I don't access the internet through them, they don't update themselves unnecessarily anymore (I turned off the automatic updates after the 8th of April) and yet they keep working. Since I am not doing anything new with them I don't need any new updates. I don't need to run away to Linux and all that hassle. They just work solidly and effectively eternally (for a given value of eternity). My desktops all run Windows 7 (except for one Vista machine I use as file download central that I don't feel the need to update as is, once again, just works at what I want it to), I am happy with Windows 7 which I have used for quite a while now but I don't have to upgrade everything to it and certain don't plan on Windows 8 until it has been properly fixed - which may never happen.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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HTML5 ... is the reason you need to drop XP. HTML5 opens door wide open to your computer that antivirus software hasn't a hope to protect you against. Well have fun with XP as the world changes to HTML5.
You are comparing an operating system with an HTML5 technology, are completely different things. HTML5 works on XP, you can change or install your browser to chrome or firefox.
NKS
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I agree, you should upgrade if you need otherwise is a waste of money.
NKS
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I agree, you should upgrade if you need otherwise is a waste of money.
NKS
If it is dead, no longer sold, no source-code, not supported- then you NEEDED to upgrade. Anyone who hasn't should not be allowed to administer a network. That includes the idiots in the government that also said that upgrading "wasn't required".
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Member 4673202 wrote:
well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it?
In the case of XP, since MS no longer support it and that means that newly revealed security weaknesses will no longer be addressed it's more a case of "can you afford not to?". Would you use your credit cards on an XP machine happily? Because I wouldn't...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Worth thinking about, a lot of Cash Points (ATM's) use XP (or XPe)...
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well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it? if is about like I stay with Win7, Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!! man!! I hasn't been able to disable that feature!!!
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- I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. ... Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!!
Well you managed to make it one whole post before you veered from your own rules. :/
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I would move to at least Win 7 personally. There are lots of nice little usability features that make Win 7 a bit easier to deal with than XP. For me personally the window snapping features in 7 and 8 are a must have anymore. If your machines are not capable to run 7 there is a chance they may be able to run 8. The upcoming updates to 8 are *supposedly* going to make it nicer for desktop users.
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HTML5 ... is the reason you need to drop XP. HTML5 opens door wide open to your computer that antivirus software hasn't a hope to protect you against. Well have fun with XP as the world changes to HTML5.
For HTML5 I would require it in old machines only maybe for browsing the web, then the responsibility will be lead to the Internet browser you use... If is an old machine probably you are not upgrading the software of that PC that means you will no install new word processors that uses HTML5 (probably the modern applications can't run in that old machines) then HTML5 for desktop apps is not a problem, your desktop just doesn't support html5! and if it's for internet browser or web apps, all the responsibility is in the Internet Browsers you use, the I would better apply your idea to what about Java, M.Flash and Silverlight... that probably will not be supporting winXP in a couple of months.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
Well said! In our case it isn't Win 7 or Win 8 that is costly. It IS all the hardware we have to change out because the new versions of Windows don't have drivers for the equipment. $100 for Win 7 or 8 AND $10,000 for equipment. NOT a good business case!! Sorry, not going to happen in the foreseeable future!
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If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Well said! In our case it isn't Win 7 or Win 8 that is costly. It IS all the hardware we have to change out because the new versions of Windows don't have drivers for the equipment. $100 for Win 7 or 8 AND $10,000 for equipment. NOT a good business case!! Sorry, not going to happen in the foreseeable future!
If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
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If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
If this is so obvious please find us some 64 bit drivers for our Mitsubichi Dye Sub printers... And while you're at it how about some drivers for our photo processing equipment, circa 1995 MSDOS drivers which run nicely under Win XP. We have the latest version of the Win XP drivers and the install media. They won't even install on Win 7 or 8.1! Alternatively, you could just send us the $$$'s to buy the latest printers and peripheral equipment. Glad it is so "obvious" to you...
