Stay Win XP, Why not?
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HTML5 ... is the reason you need to drop XP. HTML5 opens door wide open to your computer that antivirus software hasn't a hope to protect you against. Well have fun with XP as the world changes to HTML5.
You are comparing an operating system with an HTML5 technology, are completely different things. HTML5 works on XP, you can change or install your browser to chrome or firefox.
NKS
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I agree, you should upgrade if you need otherwise is a waste of money.
NKS
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I agree, you should upgrade if you need otherwise is a waste of money.
NKS
If it is dead, no longer sold, no source-code, not supported- then you NEEDED to upgrade. Anyone who hasn't should not be allowed to administer a network. That includes the idiots in the government that also said that upgrading "wasn't required".
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Member 4673202 wrote:
well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it?
In the case of XP, since MS no longer support it and that means that newly revealed security weaknesses will no longer be addressed it's more a case of "can you afford not to?". Would you use your credit cards on an XP machine happily? Because I wouldn't...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Worth thinking about, a lot of Cash Points (ATM's) use XP (or XPe)...
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well, is not about if you like, is more about do you really need it? and in other cases, can you afford it? if is about like I stay with Win7, Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!! man!! I hasn't been able to disable that feature!!!
Member 4673202 wrote:
- I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. ... Win8 has been painful with those side menus, for sure they are good in a cellphone but each time I slice my finger from right to left I got that contextual menu!!!
Well you managed to make it one whole post before you veered from your own rules. :/
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I would move to at least Win 7 personally. There are lots of nice little usability features that make Win 7 a bit easier to deal with than XP. For me personally the window snapping features in 7 and 8 are a must have anymore. If your machines are not capable to run 7 there is a chance they may be able to run 8. The upcoming updates to 8 are *supposedly* going to make it nicer for desktop users.
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HTML5 ... is the reason you need to drop XP. HTML5 opens door wide open to your computer that antivirus software hasn't a hope to protect you against. Well have fun with XP as the world changes to HTML5.
For HTML5 I would require it in old machines only maybe for browsing the web, then the responsibility will be lead to the Internet browser you use... If is an old machine probably you are not upgrading the software of that PC that means you will no install new word processors that uses HTML5 (probably the modern applications can't run in that old machines) then HTML5 for desktop apps is not a problem, your desktop just doesn't support html5! and if it's for internet browser or web apps, all the responsibility is in the Internet Browsers you use, the I would better apply your idea to what about Java, M.Flash and Silverlight... that probably will not be supporting winXP in a couple of months.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
Well said! In our case it isn't Win 7 or Win 8 that is costly. It IS all the hardware we have to change out because the new versions of Windows don't have drivers for the equipment. $100 for Win 7 or 8 AND $10,000 for equipment. NOT a good business case!! Sorry, not going to happen in the foreseeable future!
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If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Well said! In our case it isn't Win 7 or Win 8 that is costly. It IS all the hardware we have to change out because the new versions of Windows don't have drivers for the equipment. $100 for Win 7 or 8 AND $10,000 for equipment. NOT a good business case!! Sorry, not going to happen in the foreseeable future!
If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
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If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
If this is so obvious please find us some 64 bit drivers for our Mitsubichi Dye Sub printers... And while you're at it how about some drivers for our photo processing equipment, circa 1995 MSDOS drivers which run nicely under Win XP. We have the latest version of the Win XP drivers and the install media. They won't even install on Win 7 or 8.1! Alternatively, you could just send us the $$$'s to buy the latest printers and peripheral equipment. Glad it is so "obvious" to you...
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You obviously have not seen my "system". You're confusing a single "computer" and OS with the peripherals, network, and "other" servers and clients.
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If this is so obvious please find us some 64 bit drivers for our Mitsubichi Dye Sub printers... And while you're at it how about some drivers for our photo processing equipment, circa 1995 MSDOS drivers which run nicely under Win XP. We have the latest version of the Win XP drivers and the install media. They won't even install on Win 7 or 8.1! Alternatively, you could just send us the $$$'s to buy the latest printers and peripheral equipment. Glad it is so "obvious" to you...
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If you can't get the drivers to run natively, then run a virtual machine. I think you've about run out of excuses.
Why would anyone go to the bother of upgrading all their equipment to Win 7 or Win 8 to simply install a Win XP virtual machine and run it when we already have the hardware up and running Win XP. What a stupid, computer geek idea! Have you EVER run a profitable company!?
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Why would anyone go to the bother of upgrading all their equipment to Win 7 or Win 8 to simply install a Win XP virtual machine and run it when we already have the hardware up and running Win XP. What a stupid, computer geek idea! Have you EVER run a profitable company!?
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You said your "XP drivers" won't install under Win 7 / 8. I said they would with a VM. Period. Your rant was not relevant since I did not say you should upgrade.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I am staying with XP even at home for 3 reasons. First, cost of upgrading the hardware: Laptop requires at least another gig of RAM; desktop 1, 2 gigs or more; desktop 2 new CPU and so forth. Second, I have consulting clients who are running applications written using Visual Studio 2003. Neither Win 7 nor 8 will allow the installation of VS 2003. Upgrading several hundred thousand lines of VS2003, even to VS2010, is not a trivial undertaking. A third reason is common to many users: older peripheral devices for which there are probably no new drivers, for example: scanner, plotter, CNC machines, and various pieces of RS232 laboratory equipment.
Charles Wolfe C. Wolfe Software Engineering
