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    Marc Clifton
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    Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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      Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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      OriginalGriff
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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      the velveteen gloves are coming off!

      Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Marc Clifton wrote:

        the velveteen gloves are coming off!

        Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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        OriginalGriff wrote:

        Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

        Watch it, sonny. I know that wasn't you I saw on my lawn, right? Age and treachery.

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          OriginalGriff wrote:

          Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

          Watch it, sonny. I know that wasn't you I saw on my lawn, right? Age and treachery.

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          Less of the "sonny" - have you no respect for us seniors? :-D

          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Marc Clifton wrote:

            the velveteen gloves are coming off!

            Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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            If you're a good shot you don't need to worry about your aged hands...:cool:

            According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.

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              Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              I'm not sure about 'stolen'...I used to code COBOL and Mainframe Assembly using almost the same ideas as in today 'modern' development ideas... But for sure it has a bitter taste how Microsoft try to 'sell' ideas form the public domain as their great invention... About JavaScript: I can't see that web developers are complaining about it - is a capable language...The fact is that web was sold as a quick development platform (which can be true), but true and powerful JavaScript need more learning, so most code is a bit clumsily...

              I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

              "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                If you're a good shot you don't need to worry about your aged hands...:cool:

                According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.

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                Ah, but for that you want the gloves on. GSR and all that... ;)

                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  I'm not sure about 'stolen'...I used to code COBOL and Mainframe Assembly using almost the same ideas as in today 'modern' development ideas... But for sure it has a bitter taste how Microsoft try to 'sell' ideas form the public domain as their great invention... About JavaScript: I can't see that web developers are complaining about it - is a capable language...The fact is that web was sold as a quick development platform (which can be true), but true and powerful JavaScript need more learning, so most code is a bit clumsily...

                  I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                  I'm not sure about 'stolen'...I used to code COBOL and Mainframe Assembly using almost the same ideas as in today 'modern' development ideas...

                  Here's looking at you MVC. From what I understand, that concept has been around since the 60s, sure there were different buzzwords and labels for it, but the same concept.

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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                    Jeremy Falcon
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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community.

                    I'm actually glad they "borrowed" the concept of database migrations. What amazes me is Microsoft pushing git like crack cocaine. I think it's great, just still amazed.

                    Jeremy Falcon

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                      Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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                      My motto in life: Life is a vale of tears, then you die. It's about the most cynical motto you can have, making everything joyful in comparison! Just stick to those words, life is a vale of tears, and you'll come to enjoy Microsoft, TDD, JavaScript and ultimately life soon enough :D

                      It's an OO world.

                      public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                      {
                      public void DoWork()
                      {
                      throw new NotSupportedException();
                      }
                      }

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        My motto in life: Life is a vale of tears, then you die. It's about the most cynical motto you can have, making everything joyful in comparison! Just stick to those words, life is a vale of tears, and you'll come to enjoy Microsoft, TDD, JavaScript and ultimately life soon enough :D

                        It's an OO world.

                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                        {
                        public void DoWork()
                        {
                        throw new NotSupportedException();
                        }
                        }

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                        Marc Clifton
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                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                        Life is a vale of tears, then you die.

                        I like it. :) Marc

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          the velveteen gloves are coming off!

                          Hopefully, that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands... :laugh:

                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          that's to make room to fit the knuckle-dusters to protect your poor, aged, osteoporosis-raddled hands..

                          My hands and fingers are quite nimble, thank you. ;) Marc

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            I'm not sure about 'stolen'...I used to code COBOL and Mainframe Assembly using almost the same ideas as in today 'modern' development ideas... But for sure it has a bitter taste how Microsoft try to 'sell' ideas form the public domain as their great invention... About JavaScript: I can't see that web developers are complaining about it - is a capable language...The fact is that web was sold as a quick development platform (which can be true), but true and powerful JavaScript need more learning, so most code is a bit clumsily...

                            I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

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                            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                            bout JavaScript: I can't see that web developers are complaining about it - is a capable language...

                            I was referring a to recent Insider News post. BTW, I got very distracted (including going out of town for the last 5 days) so I'll be updating that article tomorrow! Marc

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                              Marc Clifton wrote:

                              Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community.

                              I'm actually glad they "borrowed" the concept of database migrations. What amazes me is Microsoft pushing git like crack cocaine. I think it's great, just still amazed.

                              Jeremy Falcon

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                              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                              I'm actually glad they "borrowed" the concept of database migrations.

                              Yes, database migrations are really neat.

                              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                              What amazes me is Microsoft pushing git like crack cocaine. I think it's great, just still amazed.

                              I am slooowly, arthritically, coming to have some respect for Git and learning how to think-git. And of course, realizing that, like with any tool, it's the skill of the wielder rather than the capabilities of the tool that make all the difference. ;) Marc

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                                Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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                                Mike Hankey
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                                Are you becoming a curmudgeon or just don't put up with as much bullshit as you used to?

                                Along with Antimatter and Dark Matter they've discovered the existence of Doesn't Matter which appears to have no effect on the universe whatsoever! Rich Tennant 5th Wave

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                                  Microsoft makes big noises over "new" ideas that are actually stolen from the Rails community. The benefits of TDD are yet again argued, incorrectly. People complain about the web and Javascript but admit nothing can be done about it. God, I'm getting more and more cynical every day. So, fair warning folks, the velveteen gloves are coming off! Marc

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  velveteen gloves

                                  were those made from the velveteen rabbit? Did you kill him?

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    I'm actually glad they "borrowed" the concept of database migrations.

                                    Yes, database migrations are really neat.

                                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                    What amazes me is Microsoft pushing git like crack cocaine. I think it's great, just still amazed.

                                    I am slooowly, arthritically, coming to have some respect for Git and learning how to think-git. And of course, realizing that, like with any tool, it's the skill of the wielder rather than the capabilities of the tool that make all the difference. ;) Marc

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                                    capabilities of the tool

                                    That matters too. Try doing source control with a hammer.

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      I'm actually glad they "borrowed" the concept of database migrations.

                                      Yes, database migrations are really neat.

                                      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                      What amazes me is Microsoft pushing git like crack cocaine. I think it's great, just still amazed.

                                      I am slooowly, arthritically, coming to have some respect for Git and learning how to think-git. And of course, realizing that, like with any tool, it's the skill of the wielder rather than the capabilities of the tool that make all the difference. ;) Marc

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                                      Jeremy Falcon
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                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      I am slooowly, arthritically, coming to have some respect for Git and learning how to think-git.

                                      It's got a steep learning curve, and despite the fact I'm still using Subversion, the distributed model works and works well if you want to get some work done while on an airplane or taking work home and don't have access to a corporate network, aren't ready commit changes but still want to back up the code, etc.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        My motto in life: Life is a vale of tears, then you die. It's about the most cynical motto you can have, making everything joyful in comparison! Just stick to those words, life is a vale of tears, and you'll come to enjoy Microsoft, TDD, JavaScript and ultimately life soon enough :D

                                        It's an OO world.

                                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                        {
                                        public void DoWork()
                                        {
                                        throw new NotSupportedException();
                                        }
                                        }

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                                        Super Lloyd
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                                        Personally I have what I think is a simpler version: "Life is bitch, then you die" ! ;P

                                        My programming get away... The Blog... DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          capabilities of the tool

                                          That matters too. Try doing source control with a hammer.

                                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          You need a chisel and a slab of stone too. Just a hammer isn't enough.

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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