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  • R rnbergren

    for software I pay for I agree with you. This is software that is paid for by the advertisers. I think we forget that the users are NOT the customers for Facebook. They are pandering to exactly who they should be pandering too. I don't like FB that much either. But I am on it. Mainly because my kids are on it and I need to keep a close eye on them.

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    bantling
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    I'm not a hater of anything, but I generally dislike online services, be it FB or anything else, because: a) They appear and disappear at random. You never know when something you like is suddenly gone. b) When they disappear, you typically get a very short window to grab your data, if you want it and it's your only copy. c) Privacy policies change at will. d) UIs change at will. It is easy to say that if you're not paying, then you're not the target, just the product. But this implies that if you were paying, then your voice should be important. That leads to two questions: 1) Are paid services really any better, or do they just do the same stuff anyway? 2) If there is no option to pay, then how do you get a service that is what you want, where you are the target and not the product? I don't want to be a product, I want a service that is useful to me. I don't find it useful to me for random changes in UI or anything else. I don't need and don't want services I can't rely on. As a result, I use very few online services. Most of the stuff that crops up, I just don't care, any more than I care about the lastest javascript framework of the hour. For some services, like email, I want services that are like a wrench - it was a 15mm silver wrench 5 years ago, and it's a 15mm silver wrench today. Same colour, sits in the same box, does the same thing. Why on earth do I need new shiny features in my email? It's such a basic thing, it should rarely change. Sometimes things are done just right. A great example of doing it right is online banking. You pay for your online banking thru fees, you are the target, your feedback actually goes into the next version. They do a big change maybe once every 3-5 years, and otherwise stay the same, it's more like a desktop boxed product. And that upgrade is actually better by any reasonable definition, not just shiny and cool and glittery. This is exactly what I want - I'm just paying bills and tracking my expenses, the same stuff I was doing 5 years go with online banking. And I don't get damned ads pestering me every frigging visit. For free services, I like CP for the same reasons. I just use it to follow articles on the news section about quasi-programming related stuff. Works pretty much the same as it did when I started, get a list of articles, pick a few, read them. Why is it so hard to find more services like this? Why do they all have to obsess over glittery coolness and one-upping each other like schoolyard children? I don't give a s**t about the la

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      I'm not a hater of anything, but I generally dislike online services, be it FB or anything else, because: a) They appear and disappear at random. You never know when something you like is suddenly gone. b) When they disappear, you typically get a very short window to grab your data, if you want it and it's your only copy. c) Privacy policies change at will. d) UIs change at will. It is easy to say that if you're not paying, then you're not the target, just the product. But this implies that if you were paying, then your voice should be important. That leads to two questions: 1) Are paid services really any better, or do they just do the same stuff anyway? 2) If there is no option to pay, then how do you get a service that is what you want, where you are the target and not the product? I don't want to be a product, I want a service that is useful to me. I don't find it useful to me for random changes in UI or anything else. I don't need and don't want services I can't rely on. As a result, I use very few online services. Most of the stuff that crops up, I just don't care, any more than I care about the lastest javascript framework of the hour. For some services, like email, I want services that are like a wrench - it was a 15mm silver wrench 5 years ago, and it's a 15mm silver wrench today. Same colour, sits in the same box, does the same thing. Why on earth do I need new shiny features in my email? It's such a basic thing, it should rarely change. Sometimes things are done just right. A great example of doing it right is online banking. You pay for your online banking thru fees, you are the target, your feedback actually goes into the next version. They do a big change maybe once every 3-5 years, and otherwise stay the same, it's more like a desktop boxed product. And that upgrade is actually better by any reasonable definition, not just shiny and cool and glittery. This is exactly what I want - I'm just paying bills and tracking my expenses, the same stuff I was doing 5 years go with online banking. And I don't get damned ads pestering me every frigging visit. For free services, I like CP for the same reasons. I just use it to follow articles on the news section about quasi-programming related stuff. Works pretty much the same as it did when I started, get a list of articles, pick a few, read them. Why is it so hard to find more services like this? Why do they all have to obsess over glittery coolness and one-upping each other like schoolyard children? I don't give a s**t about the la

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      GordoFabulous
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      Hear, hear!

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      • D dan sh

        Now, before start off, here are few things to make note of: 1. You cannot call it bad just because of content. If that was the case, you should dislike CP as well considering amounts of rants about Q & A here. 2. If you have had a bad experience with random friend request, it is not FB's fault. 3. If you are annoyed with game requests, you should consider choosing FB friends carefully rather than blaming FB. 4. If you think content there is just idiotic, remember it is not just for people like you. Kids to old people use it. There will be everything there. Again you need to choose what you want to see. 5. If you do not like their UI, for few things I am with you.

        My CP workspace: Incredibly trivial and probably useless code samples[^]

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        Nothing against facebook or twitter or linkedin any other social networking website. It is just not the way I communicate. I'll visit, write a letter (do people still do such things?), phone or send an email. That way, there is more to talk about. If your whole life has been published and everyone already knows everything and has seen all the pictures, what do you talk about when you meet up with friends?

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        • D dan sh

          Now, before start off, here are few things to make note of: 1. You cannot call it bad just because of content. If that was the case, you should dislike CP as well considering amounts of rants about Q & A here. 2. If you have had a bad experience with random friend request, it is not FB's fault. 3. If you are annoyed with game requests, you should consider choosing FB friends carefully rather than blaming FB. 4. If you think content there is just idiotic, remember it is not just for people like you. Kids to old people use it. There will be everything there. Again you need to choose what you want to see. 5. If you do not like their UI, for few things I am with you.

          My CP workspace: Incredibly trivial and probably useless code samples[^]

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          jtmueller
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          "1. You cannot call it bad just because of content." You don't get to dictate my reasons for liking or not liking a thing. If I want to dislike it because of content, that's my privilege. Maybe I think FB's bad content is more annoying than CP's bad content. Maybe I'm tired of clueless political rants interspersed with photos of someone's dinner. Maybe I just like my privacy. Either way, that's my decision. Why are you so eager to de-legitimize and downplay other people's reasons for disliking Facebook? It sounds like you asked this question to start an argument, not because you actually wanted to learn something.

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          • Z ZurdoDev

            0. It's fake relationships.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            RASPeter
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            95% of my FB friends are people I know in real life. The rest are friends of friends who share common interests with me, and the only reason I haven't met them yet is geographical inconvenience. If you have a problem with fake relationships on FB, the problem is with you, not with FB.

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              95% of my FB friends are people I know in real life. The rest are friends of friends who share common interests with me, and the only reason I haven't met them yet is geographical inconvenience. If you have a problem with fake relationships on FB, the problem is with you, not with FB.

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              ZurdoDev
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              RASPeter wrote:

              If you have a problem with fake relationships on FB, the problem is with you, not with FB.

              :laugh: OK.

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              • D dan sh

                Now, before start off, here are few things to make note of: 1. You cannot call it bad just because of content. If that was the case, you should dislike CP as well considering amounts of rants about Q & A here. 2. If you have had a bad experience with random friend request, it is not FB's fault. 3. If you are annoyed with game requests, you should consider choosing FB friends carefully rather than blaming FB. 4. If you think content there is just idiotic, remember it is not just for people like you. Kids to old people use it. There will be everything there. Again you need to choose what you want to see. 5. If you do not like their UI, for few things I am with you.

                My CP workspace: Incredibly trivial and probably useless code samples[^]

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                RASPeter
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                I hate the way the feed is managed, especially in their mobile app. I see something funny, walk across the room to show it to my daughter, and suddenly it's jumped position and when I scroll down to where the thing was that I wanted to show her it's no longer there, and even if I got to the wall of the person who posted it it's pretty much a coin flip whether I can find it there. In fact, just the other day I was looking for something I'd posted myself a few months ago. Turns out the two weeks around the date I posted it are just gone, but I spent quite a few minutes scrolling through everything I'd ever clicked "like" on to figure that out. It's like they created an algorithm specifically to preserve the history I care least about. And then there's the "10+ New Stories" thing, which aren't actually new stories, but rather there's maybe one new story and the rest are things that I've already seen and didn't like, but someone I know liked it so obviously I need to see it again so I can have another chance to like it.

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                • D dan sh

                  Now, before start off, here are few things to make note of: 1. You cannot call it bad just because of content. If that was the case, you should dislike CP as well considering amounts of rants about Q & A here. 2. If you have had a bad experience with random friend request, it is not FB's fault. 3. If you are annoyed with game requests, you should consider choosing FB friends carefully rather than blaming FB. 4. If you think content there is just idiotic, remember it is not just for people like you. Kids to old people use it. There will be everything there. Again you need to choose what you want to see. 5. If you do not like their UI, for few things I am with you.

                  My CP workspace: Incredibly trivial and probably useless code samples[^]

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                  RafagaX
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                  I don't dislike it, I just find it pointless for anything that is not cheap gossip or sell you something.

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                  • D dan sh

                    Now, before start off, here are few things to make note of: 1. You cannot call it bad just because of content. If that was the case, you should dislike CP as well considering amounts of rants about Q & A here. 2. If you have had a bad experience with random friend request, it is not FB's fault. 3. If you are annoyed with game requests, you should consider choosing FB friends carefully rather than blaming FB. 4. If you think content there is just idiotic, remember it is not just for people like you. Kids to old people use it. There will be everything there. Again you need to choose what you want to see. 5. If you do not like their UI, for few things I am with you.

                    My CP workspace: Incredibly trivial and probably useless code samples[^]

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                    BGArts
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                    I hate it because: 1. I didn't invent it 2. My parents keep reminding me that I didn't invent it

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                    • B bantling

                      I'm not a hater of anything, but I generally dislike online services, be it FB or anything else, because: a) They appear and disappear at random. You never know when something you like is suddenly gone. b) When they disappear, you typically get a very short window to grab your data, if you want it and it's your only copy. c) Privacy policies change at will. d) UIs change at will. It is easy to say that if you're not paying, then you're not the target, just the product. But this implies that if you were paying, then your voice should be important. That leads to two questions: 1) Are paid services really any better, or do they just do the same stuff anyway? 2) If there is no option to pay, then how do you get a service that is what you want, where you are the target and not the product? I don't want to be a product, I want a service that is useful to me. I don't find it useful to me for random changes in UI or anything else. I don't need and don't want services I can't rely on. As a result, I use very few online services. Most of the stuff that crops up, I just don't care, any more than I care about the lastest javascript framework of the hour. For some services, like email, I want services that are like a wrench - it was a 15mm silver wrench 5 years ago, and it's a 15mm silver wrench today. Same colour, sits in the same box, does the same thing. Why on earth do I need new shiny features in my email? It's such a basic thing, it should rarely change. Sometimes things are done just right. A great example of doing it right is online banking. You pay for your online banking thru fees, you are the target, your feedback actually goes into the next version. They do a big change maybe once every 3-5 years, and otherwise stay the same, it's more like a desktop boxed product. And that upgrade is actually better by any reasonable definition, not just shiny and cool and glittery. This is exactly what I want - I'm just paying bills and tracking my expenses, the same stuff I was doing 5 years go with online banking. And I don't get damned ads pestering me every frigging visit. For free services, I like CP for the same reasons. I just use it to follow articles on the news section about quasi-programming related stuff. Works pretty much the same as it did when I started, get a list of articles, pick a few, read them. Why is it so hard to find more services like this? Why do they all have to obsess over glittery coolness and one-upping each other like schoolyard children? I don't give a s**t about the la

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                      monk7777
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                      bantling: i just want to applaud your insightful and well organized thoughts about the economic tradeoffs between free and paid services.

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