Anyone here do "night shifts"?
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Test his own code as a QA test I mean. Of course you run it to test sanity, but never for production test. That's a different beast...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
Yes - but if you are supposed to be driving production equipment, then you need to run your code on production hardware - preferably when it isn't in use and it doesn't matter if it fails in spectacular fashion. As it will, the first couple of times... :laugh:
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Yes - but if you are supposed to be driving production equipment, then you need to run your code on production hardware - preferably when it isn't in use and it doesn't matter if it fails in spectacular fashion. As it will, the first couple of times... :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I have no experience with hardware - so i can't really tell what I would do there. All my opinions about software-for-software development...(And that fails also a lot ;) )
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Wrong. I'm leading a 5 person team (4 developer + 1 system guy). We run a project that has over 500 web pages grouped into 4 personal portals. The application installed on over 2000 servers and all of them is our responsibility. However, running test late night on the production servers by a team member is something that never happened. Also production test of the code by the developer is something that never happened (and will not as long as I'm here). And the reason is simple - you can not trust a developer to test his own code, he will not do it right...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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I test my code all the time, and always have. Developers who don't test their code are just guessing that it works. And if you assume it does, you can construct an enormous software edifice before it's handed to QA who find it doesn't even walk, let alone run! :laugh: Not formal acceptance testing, no - but even limited functional testing to ensure compliance with the specification needs access to the data or hardware it will interface to.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
OriginalGriff wrote:
before it's handed to QA
QA = the users...
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I think you missed something here it was production LINE, possibly manufacturing. I have worked night shift in such environments where you can get at the machines.
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Yeah. I got that from OG too... :sigh:
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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I've had an odd email from an associate, in which he says that a Large Company has offered him a development role as a "Process Specialist" but that the position might require he to work night shifts. Now, I live a sheltered life, but I've never heard of developers working shifts, (heck, getting us to work at regular hours is hard enough) much less night shifts - in fact I can't think of any "thinking", "creative" position that does shift work at all! Is this normal now, out in the Big Wide World? Only thing I can think of is that he is being suckered into a Technical Support role, not development, in the full and certain knowledge that once he joins that Legion Of The Damned (even temporarily) the only ways out are Suicide and Mass Murder...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Folks in my group do occasionally to do testing on our prototype machine. Some of this happens on second shift, because: In their Infinite Wisdom, the Powers That Be dictated that There Shall Be Only A Single Prototype, and You Sniveling Engineers Can All Share. And they said I was crazy for wanting to do user interfaces. No travel to customers, no night shift :-D.
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I've had an odd email from an associate, in which he says that a Large Company has offered him a development role as a "Process Specialist" but that the position might require he to work night shifts. Now, I live a sheltered life, but I've never heard of developers working shifts, (heck, getting us to work at regular hours is hard enough) much less night shifts - in fact I can't think of any "thinking", "creative" position that does shift work at all! Is this normal now, out in the Big Wide World? Only thing I can think of is that he is being suckered into a Technical Support role, not development, in the full and certain knowledge that once he joins that Legion Of The Damned (even temporarily) the only ways out are Suicide and Mass Murder...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I lobbied for, and got, my own special shift when I worked in germany. 1400 - 2200 That gave me 4 hours to interact with the people who didn't understand anything, and 4 hours to actually get some work done. It was bliss.
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I've had an odd email from an associate, in which he says that a Large Company has offered him a development role as a "Process Specialist" but that the position might require he to work night shifts. Now, I live a sheltered life, but I've never heard of developers working shifts, (heck, getting us to work at regular hours is hard enough) much less night shifts - in fact I can't think of any "thinking", "creative" position that does shift work at all! Is this normal now, out in the Big Wide World? Only thing I can think of is that he is being suckered into a Technical Support role, not development, in the full and certain knowledge that once he joins that Legion Of The Damned (even temporarily) the only ways out are Suicide and Mass Murder...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
The Indian company to which this potential employer has outsourced decided to work during daytime in India. So, necessarily this guy will have to work the night shift to be in sync with them! ;P
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I've had an odd email from an associate, in which he says that a Large Company has offered him a development role as a "Process Specialist" but that the position might require he to work night shifts. Now, I live a sheltered life, but I've never heard of developers working shifts, (heck, getting us to work at regular hours is hard enough) much less night shifts - in fact I can't think of any "thinking", "creative" position that does shift work at all! Is this normal now, out in the Big Wide World? Only thing I can think of is that he is being suckered into a Technical Support role, not development, in the full and certain knowledge that once he joins that Legion Of The Damned (even temporarily) the only ways out are Suicide and Mass Murder...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I only do right >> and left << shifts ;)
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I've had an odd email from an associate, in which he says that a Large Company has offered him a development role as a "Process Specialist" but that the position might require he to work night shifts. Now, I live a sheltered life, but I've never heard of developers working shifts, (heck, getting us to work at regular hours is hard enough) much less night shifts - in fact I can't think of any "thinking", "creative" position that does shift work at all! Is this normal now, out in the Big Wide World? Only thing I can think of is that he is being suckered into a Technical Support role, not development, in the full and certain knowledge that once he joins that Legion Of The Damned (even temporarily) the only ways out are Suicide and Mass Murder...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I guess Chris is doing Night Shifts pretty often. Would guess they use the term as in "Work more if there is more work to do."
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