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Nice to know you got a bike! Dang, now you moved onto an ATL graphic filter and working on the next version GDI+, sheesh, I might be to far behind to keep you going, I'd be like a big chain and ball ;-) Integrated bug tracking sounds cool, and I would love to post it here if we made it, let me know if you want to go with that ideal. Sounds cool! Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
Let's not confuse knowing a little about lots of things with any degree of actual skill ;) I think a collaboration sounds like just the thing to light a fire under my backside and get this project moving again, so if you're keen just LMK how we set it up and get it going. Just give me a bit of time to rest from meeting the latest deadline at work and also to skim my code and make it presentable !!! ( Istill at the 'I'm fiddling around to learn how this works' stage. ) Christian #include "std_disclaimer.h" The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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Well thats one vote - thanks. I'm afraid I don't share your notion of this being "not too hard" though. Sending and receiving email is just one (small) part of a full blown email client. You need a (fast) database to store everything, a folder system where you can drag and drop messages, a comprehensive rule based filtering system, a full fledged address book, templates, account management, HTML editing and viewing, searching etc, etc. The bottom line is that to develop a client I would want to use is a reasonably large undertaking. I'd want most all of the capabilities in both Calypso and The Bat. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com
Actually most of this is already built into MFC and free classes on CP. We already have apps that can do most of this and they are not hard to build. Access works fine as a database with DAO interface. Not the fastest, but fast enough. Can store anything there. Windows already has folders and these can also be done inside the DB. Rules are a little harder, but that is just parsing code with a user interface. MFC already has HTML hooks as well as other freeware classes. MIME classes are also available as well as SMTP and MAPI. Outlook style displays are also on CP as freeware. When you get done, what you have is something like Outlook or Outlook Express. Other features can be added as desired, things like auto text-to-speech for new E-Mail, page me on my beeper when I get a mail from XYZ, call me on my cell phone and read back my new mail, turn the lights on at home when I send a special E-Mail, send me a mail at work if someone rings the door bell... Ed
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Well thats one vote - thanks. I'm afraid I don't share your notion of this being "not too hard" though. Sending and receiving email is just one (small) part of a full blown email client. You need a (fast) database to store everything, a folder system where you can drag and drop messages, a comprehensive rule based filtering system, a full fledged address book, templates, account management, HTML editing and viewing, searching etc, etc. The bottom line is that to develop a client I would want to use is a reasonably large undertaking. I'd want most all of the capabilities in both Calypso and The Bat. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com
Thanks for the suggestion, it's great to hear someone who has ED throw in their two cents :-). I was throwing around the idea of an EMAIL client, but for some reason I made it look much HARDER than what you outlined above ;-D. Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
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No, this is not another spam for the next *big* >insert noun here<. I'm not trying to sell snake oil, or get you to help program the next greatest OS, APP, or GAME. I've been doing searches on the search engine and looking at other sites to see where other developers (mainly hobbist) can be found. I wish to gather a group of people with the same interest and start doing some team development, on almost anything. I want to be able to see the process thru design, code, and implementation with a team. I have been developing software in this industry as an individual and since I did not take any formal programming classes have never had a chance to develop as a team member, and I would like to fill that small hole now :-) Where can I go to find others with interest? I tried looking into open source, but most of those projects are handled by fanatics, or people who are more skilled than I :-( I just want to get together with some other hobbyist and actually build something as a team, and I'm hoping that with others that will give me the incentive to actually complete some of the stuff I started :-) So my questions are (after that long diatribe) is anyone know any good sites to find others? (I have tried sourceforge.net, asynchrony.com, developers.com, etc...), or usenet groups, or anyone, even if they just started programming. Please post other resources or information on where to go, or better yet, any of your advice to gather people together with similiar interest. Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
It is good to know other people out there are interested in the same thing. Never mind looking elsewhere for developers I found a lot of them here, since we are going ot develop something as a group what sounds great is if we also document getting the group together, our development techniques, trials and tribulations :-) That would make a great article on CodeProject along with the source code and application we develop. What do u think guys? Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
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An app I'd realy like to see a group develop is, believe it or not, a full featured email client. I've been using Calypso for years as it was one of the first email clients that did a good job of handling multiple email accounts. Unfortunately Calypso has died recently, which is a real pity. No serious work had been done on it for a few years so it was definetly getting a little stale. That said I believe it has one of the best UI's (easy to use) of any email client I've seen. They've now made it available as free download if any one is interested. See www.mcsdallas.com I've had a look around over the past month and the best email client I've found so far is "The Bat" http://www.ritlabs.com/the\_bat If it only combined the clean simple UI of Calypso it would be great, but it has a way to go in this dept I'm afraid. So unless someone knows of a full featured, easy to use, well documented, responsive and robust email client that I'm not aware of I seriously think this would be a winner. BTW I have no interest in using any MS Email Clients. Well thats my tuppence worth. Thoughts please? Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com
Wow - I thought I was the only Calypso user out there. I agree about the UI - very simple and easy to use, no fluff, even though that app icon is about as ugly as any I've seen. A sad day.
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Wow - I thought I was the only Calypso user out there. I agree about the UI - very simple and easy to use, no fluff, even though that app icon is about as ugly as any I've seen. A sad day.
Tis a sad day. You have to wonder what happened and why. I got to know a guy there quite well and sent him an email a few weeks back but it just bounced. They are making noises about making the source code available, but haven't worked out how they are going to do this yet. What is weird is that someone put a Calypso submission up on www.betanews.com about two weeks back. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com
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Actually most of this is already built into MFC and free classes on CP. We already have apps that can do most of this and they are not hard to build. Access works fine as a database with DAO interface. Not the fastest, but fast enough. Can store anything there. Windows already has folders and these can also be done inside the DB. Rules are a little harder, but that is just parsing code with a user interface. MFC already has HTML hooks as well as other freeware classes. MIME classes are also available as well as SMTP and MAPI. Outlook style displays are also on CP as freeware. When you get done, what you have is something like Outlook or Outlook Express. Other features can be added as desired, things like auto text-to-speech for new E-Mail, page me on my beeper when I get a mail from XYZ, call me on my cell phone and read back my new mail, turn the lights on at home when I send a special E-Mail, send me a mail at work if someone rings the door bell... Ed
Yes I agree there is a lot of great code around already, which would be very usefull. I haven't done any work in Access in a long time so I don't know how it would hold up. My Calypso email database is 338M this week and growing. I can't tell you how many messages are in it, apart from a lot. Unfortunately Calypso pretty much grinds to a halt with a DB this big. I typically access my email on two machines, Desktop and Notebook and copying a DB this big back and forth is a pain. A feature which appears to be very nice on The Bat is a mechanism to sychronize the mail DB on multiple machines by moving just the differences. I haven't actually tried this yet but if it works as advertised it will be a big hit with me. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Version 4.0 just released. www.getsoft.com
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Yes I agree there is a lot of great code around already, which would be very usefull. I haven't done any work in Access in a long time so I don't know how it would hold up. My Calypso email database is 338M this week and growing. I can't tell you how many messages are in it, apart from a lot. Unfortunately Calypso pretty much grinds to a halt with a DB this big. I typically access my email on two machines, Desktop and Notebook and copying a DB this big back and forth is a pain. A feature which appears to be very nice on The Bat is a mechanism to sychronize the mail DB on multiple machines by moving just the differences. I haven't actually tried this yet but if it works as advertised it will be a big hit with me. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Version 4.0 just released. www.getsoft.com
Access speed is for the most part independant on DB size. We have customers whose database size has grown to 2 GB. One can also use the file system to store some types of data. Things like message attachments might be best stored directly in file system, with DB pointers. We do that for fax data as it is easier for users to find their data when they need it. Ed
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It is good to know other people out there are interested in the same thing. Never mind looking elsewhere for developers I found a lot of them here, since we are going ot develop something as a group what sounds great is if we also document getting the group together, our development techniques, trials and tribulations :-) That would make a great article on CodeProject along with the source code and application we develop. What do u think guys? Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
Hi Sam, Well I'm interested in tossing my hat into the ring and I can most likely find some more like minded souls. My only problem is a total lack of spare time (ED4W takes up most every waking minute), but I can't see why that should stop me. Maybe Chris could be talked into setting up a Forum for the project, or do you have that under control? Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Version 4.01 just released, with a C++ Class View that actually works. www.getsoft.com
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Hi Sam, Well I'm interested in tossing my hat into the ring and I can most likely find some more like minded souls. My only problem is a total lack of spare time (ED4W takes up most every waking minute), but I can't see why that should stop me. Maybe Chris could be talked into setting up a Forum for the project, or do you have that under control? Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows. Version 4.01 just released, with a C++ Class View that actually works. www.getsoft.com
I'm looking forward to seeing it started! I'd be happy to join in :D Cheers, Paolo.