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  • M Marco Bertschi

    .. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer. Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad. Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma". Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training

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    Ray Raymos
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    To have obtained a VET diploma as a Software Developer did you have to take math,science,programming,language arts, social studies, psychology and other subjects in order to obtain the diploma?

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    • M Marco Bertschi

      .. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer. Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad. Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma". Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training

      The console is a black place

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      Ray Raymos
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      Is it almost the same as getting a Bachelors of Science in Computer Science or a Bachelors of Science in Software Engineering?

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        Is it almost the same as getting a Bachelors of Science in Computer Science or a Bachelors of Science in Software Engineering?

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        Marco Bertschi
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        No, but it certifies you as Software Developer. It's an entry level degree, and most of the Bachelors in CS or SE in Switzerland started with a VET diploma, because they can work part-time as developers during their Bachelor studies.

        The console is a black place

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        • M Marco Bertschi

          I don't know about you, but I personally prefer to look after girls :laugh:

          The console is a black place

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          Nagy Vilmos
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          RFTM -

          Section 17.II.b(ii):

          Geeks are forbidden from having a relationship with another living thing. Even Facebook 'friends' are pushing it.

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          • M Marco Bertschi

            No, but it certifies you as Software Developer. It's an entry level degree, and most of the Bachelors in CS or SE in Switzerland started with a VET diploma, because they can work part-time as developers during their Bachelor studies.

            The console is a black place

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            Ray Raymos
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            That sounds nice there are certificates for those fields where I go and I find it annoying for the fact anyone who gets those never find a job. :/ Sadly we must either find an internship while going to school or work another type of job. Congratulations though on getting it! :^) I will be finishing my degree soon and well I already develop many different programs. What about you have you developed anything neat or nifty to where you could sell it on your own?

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            • R Ray Raymos

              To have obtained a VET diploma as a Software Developer did you have to take math,science,programming,language arts, social studies, psychology and other subjects in order to obtain the diploma?

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              Marco Bertschi
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              It's all depending on the state, but in my case it contained the following fields: - OS Basics (Linux & Windows) - Batch programming - Structured programming (in C) - Object Oriented Programming (C# [WinForms and ASP.Net], Java) - English - Maths - General Education (includes politics, laws) - Boolean Algebrae - Assembler (8 Bit AVR) - Project management basics The ones mentioned above were all the same for every student, plus I got me some individual skills at work: - Hardware Simulation over virtual COM ports - C++ on Qt - Creation of end user trainings, 3rd level support

              The console is a black place

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                That sounds nice there are certificates for those fields where I go and I find it annoying for the fact anyone who gets those never find a job. :/ Sadly we must either find an internship while going to school or work another type of job. Congratulations though on getting it! :^) I will be finishing my degree soon and well I already develop many different programs. What about you have you developed anything neat or nifty to where you could sell it on your own?

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                Marco Bertschi
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                Ray Raymos wrote:

                What about you have you developed anything neat or nifty to where you could sell it on your own?

                No, but I'm currently working on a Syslog implementation on .Net which I will publish on CP once it is finished.

                The console is a black place

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                • M Marco Bertschi

                  It's all depending on the state, but in my case it contained the following fields: - OS Basics (Linux & Windows) - Batch programming - Structured programming (in C) - Object Oriented Programming (C# [WinForms and ASP.Net], Java) - English - Maths - General Education (includes politics, laws) - Boolean Algebrae - Assembler (8 Bit AVR) - Project management basics The ones mentioned above were all the same for every student, plus I got me some individual skills at work: - Hardware Simulation over virtual COM ports - C++ on Qt - Creation of end user trainings, 3rd level support

                  The console is a black place

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                  Marco Bertschi wrote:

                  - Batch programming

                  Eh?! What?

                  Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                  • M Marco Bertschi

                    Argonia wrote:

                    I wish you the best of luck finding your first real job

                    I already had my first "real job", since my work as Apprentice wasn't cooking coffee but implementing crucial parts of the project, including a Hardware Simulator and the Audit Trail ;)

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                    I don't believe Apprentice job is considered a "real job". Just your firm is smart enough to use you for code instead of making you learn the 10 different ways to make coffee.

                    Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                    • A Argonia

                      I don't believe Apprentice job is considered a "real job". Just your firm is smart enough to use you for code instead of making you learn the 10 different ways to make coffee.

                      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                      It isn't, but the time you spend working is widely considered work experience, if it was work.

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                      • A Argonia

                        Marco Bertschi wrote:

                        - Batch programming

                        Eh?! What?

                        Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                        @echo off
                        echo Teh Console.

                        Yeah, script programming would be a better description.

                        The console is a black place

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                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                          RFTM -

                          Section 17.II.b(ii):

                          Geeks are forbidden from having a relationship with another living thing. Even Facebook 'friends' are pushing it.

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                          RFTM should it be RTFM ?

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                            RFTM -

                            Section 17.II.b(ii):

                            Geeks are forbidden from having a relationship with another living thing. Even Facebook 'friends' are pushing it.

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                            I was told cats were OK !!!!! :omg: I've been getting it wrong all these years :doh:

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                              RFTM should it be RTFM ?

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                              Nagy Vilmos
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                              Can't get the staff! :laugh:

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                              • M Marco Bertschi

                                @echo off
                                echo Teh Console.

                                Yeah, script programming would be a better description.

                                The console is a black place

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                                Yeah, script programming would be a better description

                                ... maybe, but "batch programming" gets you brownie points with this oldie :)

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                                  I was told cats were OK !!!!! :omg: I've been getting it wrong all these years :doh:

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                                  Define relationship. And remember, it's cats we're talking about.

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                                  • M Marco Bertschi

                                    .. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer. Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad. Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma". Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training

                                    The console is a black place

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                                    Simon Lee Shugar
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                                    You restore the health of ill Tamagotchies?

                                    Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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                                    • M Marco Bertschi

                                      .. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer. Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad. Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma". Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training

                                      The console is a black place

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                                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                      Congratulations! :thumbsup: Does it happened today? In that case we share the date...only mine is 20 years old today... :-D

                                      I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

                                      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                                      • M Marco Bertschi

                                        .. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer. Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad. Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma". Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training

                                        The console is a black place

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                                        DaveAuld
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                                        They are probably the equivalent of a UK NVQ (national vocational qualification) and then depending on the level, e.g. NVQ Level 3. The levels can be compared as seen here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Vocational_Qualification[^] There is probably something similar with you.

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                                          You restore the health of ill Tamagotchies?

                                          Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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                                          Richard Deeming
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                                          No, Leslie[^] takes care of them. ;P


                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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