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Men would rather give themselves an electric shock than sit alone in a room with nothing to do

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  • P Paul M Watt

    Now the real question is: What would it look like if more than one person was in the room, and pushing the button would shock at least one of them. Now is it going to be boredom to drive those people to push the button?! ... probably not!

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    Sander Rossel
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    They should have one of those epic trailer soundtracks playing too. Dundundundun... Two buttons... Dundundundun... Two people... Dundundundun... Will they do the unthinkable?... DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN... Will they survive!? DUUUUUUUUN... And all the while these people will be staring at each other, sweating like pigs, keeping one eye on the other's button, hands above their own... :D

    It's an OO world.

    public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
    {
    public void DoWork()
    {
    throw new NotSupportedException();
    }
    }

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    • C chriselst

      Men no like thinky[^] Seems reasonable to me.

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      So, sat in a room, with nothing to do for 15 minutes but press a button that they knew would administer an electric shock, 12 out of 18 men pressed it and six out of 24 women. These people intentionally gave themselves an electric shock. An electric shock. Those who shocked themselves, did so an average of 1.47 times during the 15 minute period. Except for one maverick. Who did it 190 times.

      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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      Philip F
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      I did not read the article. But I'm pretty sure that button was red. Interesting buttons usually are. And now, I ask, who in this whole wide world (www) would NOT press a red button???? (Especially if it has some text like: "don't press the button" or "launch" on it). I'm done here. I'm going to find buttons to press. And I hope I did not push somebody's buttons here.

      I won’t not use no double negatives.

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        They should have one of those epic trailer soundtracks playing too. Dundundundun... Two buttons... Dundundundun... Two people... Dundundundun... Will they do the unthinkable?... DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN... Will they survive!? DUUUUUUUUN... And all the while these people will be staring at each other, sweating like pigs, keeping one eye on the other's button, hands above their own... :D

        It's an OO world.

        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
        {
        public void DoWork()
        {
        throw new NotSupportedException();
        }
        }

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        Paul M Watt
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        LOL. And that's the thing with psychology experiments anything goes... you tell them the button zaps the other person, but it zaps themselves.

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        • C chriselst

          Men no like thinky[^] Seems reasonable to me.

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          So, sat in a room, with nothing to do for 15 minutes but press a button that they knew would administer an electric shock, 12 out of 18 men pressed it and six out of 24 women. These people intentionally gave themselves an electric shock. An electric shock. Those who shocked themselves, did so an average of 1.47 times during the 15 minute period. Except for one maverick. Who did it 190 times.

          Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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          Joe Woodbury
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          A combination of simple cost benefit analysis and curiosity. Clearly, the shock wouldn't be strong enough to kill you, so why not?

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          • C chriselst

            Men no like thinky[^] Seems reasonable to me.

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            So, sat in a room, with nothing to do for 15 minutes but press a button that they knew would administer an electric shock, 12 out of 18 men pressed it and six out of 24 women. These people intentionally gave themselves an electric shock. An electric shock. Those who shocked themselves, did so an average of 1.47 times during the 15 minute period. Except for one maverick. Who did it 190 times.

            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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            Nguyen H H Dang
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            i will press it, just for curiousing, but not 190 times :laugh:

            In code we trust !

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Not really - not just because of the risk, but because I don't consider it acceptable to pee in public. It's bad enough having to clean dog pee off car and motorcycle tyres - human pee I don't want to have to clean up, so why should I make someone else do it?

              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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              pkfox
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              Thread drift but what bike have you got Griff ?

              We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                I'd press it. Probably not 190 times though. But after a couple of minutes I'd get curious about that shock. A minute more and I'd have to know. Of course I'd be thinking the whole time - about that shock.

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                Stefan_Lang
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                So I thought as well - I mean it couldn't be that bad. I actually wondered about that aspect of curiosity so much I actually read the article, and - lo and behold! - it goes on to state

                wired wrote:

                that every participant had already received the shock before the trial. And every one had said they would pay to not experience it again. Hard cash.

                :omg:

                GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                • P Paul M Watt

                  Now the real question is: What would it look like if more than one person was in the room, and pushing the button would shock at least one of them. Now is it going to be boredom to drive those people to push the button?! ... probably not!

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                  Stefan_Lang
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                  Better yet, keep it to one person in the room, but tell them it would shock the observers :cool:

                  GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                  • N Nguyen H H Dang

                    i will press it, just for curiousing, but not 190 times :laugh:

                    In code we trust !

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                    Stefan_Lang
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                    Maybe you would if they told you the one pressing it most would win? ;P

                    GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                    • S Stefan_Lang

                      Maybe you would if they told you the one pressing it most would win? ;P

                      GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                      Nguyen H H Dang
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                      no no, i dont like to give myself an electric shock :laugh:

                      In code we trust !

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        I can't believe no one said this yet, but... Those are some shocking results! :cool:

                        It's an OO world.

                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                        {
                        public void DoWork()
                        {
                        throw new NotSupportedException();
                        }
                        }

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                        SortaCore
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                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                        Those are some shocking results! :cool:

                        They are quite electrifying - they made my hair stand up.

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                        • N Nguyen H H Dang

                          i will press it, just for curiousing, but not 190 times :laugh:

                          In code we trust !

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                          SortaCore
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                          Nguyen.H.H.Dang wrote:

                          but not 190 times :laugh:

                          He was trying to activate Hulk mode. Or kept trying his skills as a electrokinetic. (cue Dilbert comic)

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                            Nguyen.H.H.Dang wrote:

                            but not 190 times :laugh:

                            He was trying to activate Hulk mode. Or kept trying his skills as a electrokinetic. (cue Dilbert comic)

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                            Nguyen H H Dang
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                            lol :laugh:

                            In code we trust !

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                            • pkfoxP pkfox

                              Thread drift but what bike have you got Griff ?

                              We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                              None, at the moment :sigh: Herself has arthritis in her hips, and can't cope any more, so I had to get a car. And with no garage of off-road parking... But my last was one of these: Moto Guzzi California EV 1100[^] because I like big V Twins, and going round corners, and Ducatis are too easy to lose your licence on! :laugh: (And the bike shop would always lend me a Ducati for the day)

                              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                None, at the moment :sigh: Herself has arthritis in her hips, and can't cope any more, so I had to get a car. And with no garage of off-road parking... But my last was one of these: Moto Guzzi California EV 1100[^] because I like big V Twins, and going round corners, and Ducatis are too easy to lose your licence on! :laugh: (And the bike shop would always lend me a Ducati for the day)

                                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                pkfox
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                                I've always liked Guzzis but never had one, I've had an MV F4750 for years but never ride it these days - still got my trusty VFR750 ( 1990 immaculate ) which I've done many a mile on and a 1961 600 Norton Dominator which I also never ride but can't bear to part with. Happy days.

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                                • pkfoxP pkfox

                                  I've always liked Guzzis but never had one, I've had an MV F4750 for years but never ride it these days - still got my trusty VFR750 ( 1990 immaculate ) which I've done many a mile on and a 1961 600 Norton Dominator which I also never ride but can't bear to part with. Happy days.

                                  We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  A 600 Dommy? Good you - I got through a couple of MkIII Come-and-gos but the pre-ioslastic Norton twins were a bit too vibrato for me! I'm not surprised you don't ride it much these days - modern traffic plus old fashioned brakes is not a marriage made in heaven!

                                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  • N Nguyen H H Dang

                                    i will press it, just for curiousing, but not 190 times :laugh:

                                    In code we trust !

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                                    Freak30
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                                    Maybe the first button press send him into an muscle spasm leading to the subsequent presses. He just couldn't get the finger away from the damn button earlier. :D

                                    The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      A 600 Dommy? Good you - I got through a couple of MkIII Come-and-gos but the pre-ioslastic Norton twins were a bit too vibrato for me! I'm not surprised you don't ride it much these days - modern traffic plus old fashioned brakes is not a marriage made in heaven!

                                      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                      pkfox
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                                      The dommy has a Commando tls on it which is better than their disk brakes imo - will try and get it running soon ( I say it every year )

                                      We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                                      • C chriselst

                                        Men no like thinky[^] Seems reasonable to me.

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                                        So, sat in a room, with nothing to do for 15 minutes but press a button that they knew would administer an electric shock, 12 out of 18 men pressed it and six out of 24 women. These people intentionally gave themselves an electric shock. An electric shock. Those who shocked themselves, did so an average of 1.47 times during the 15 minute period. Except for one maverick. Who did it 190 times.

                                        Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                        I wonder if in the experiment, the participants had the opportunity before starting the 6 to 15 minutes of "thinking" to press the button to know for themselves that the shock would be administered, or if they were simply told that it would be and they had to take that on faith. I would think the conclusions could be very different depending on the answer. If participants were simply told, their choice to press the button may be more rooted in a desire to explore the environment and learn for themselves what happens. One could conclude that the experiment results indicate more a repudiation of blind faith in what they've been told than an unwillingness to spend 15 minutes thinking. On the other hand, if this was accounted for -- say, if the participants could test the button for themselves before beginning the experiment, and knew first-hand the shock that would occur -- then the results are much more interesting.

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                                        • C chriselst

                                          Men no like thinky[^] Seems reasonable to me.

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                                          So, sat in a room, with nothing to do for 15 minutes but press a button that they knew would administer an electric shock, 12 out of 18 men pressed it and six out of 24 women. These people intentionally gave themselves an electric shock. An electric shock. Those who shocked themselves, did so an average of 1.47 times during the 15 minute period. Except for one maverick. Who did it 190 times.

                                          Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                          Drewcrewof2
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                                          What shocking news!

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