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  • C Chris Maunder

    I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    Gary Wheeler
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    Chris Maunder wrote:

    This is why documents need source control

    Been there, done that, got the revision history to prove it. My sub-peeve to your pet-peeve: People who include the revision number in the document filename. I have one document in source control "MSEM_Interface_121.docx", "MSEM_Interface_122.docx", ..., "MSEM_Interface_137.docx" :doh:.

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      No version control problems - give them a Wiki. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.

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      Gary Wheeler
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      Do you really want to let a marketing schmuck edit a wiki?

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      • R Ravi Bhavnani

        My solution to this common problem is to rename older versions of the document, e.g:

        • Document.docx The latest version of the document.
        • Document - 01.docx First edit.
        • Document - 02 - Updates per Joe Updates made in response to Joe's review.
        • Document - Draft An unsequenced draft version of the document.

        Chris Maunder wrote:

        This is why documents need source control...

        Of course they do!  As does any edited collateral.  Aside: File versioning came standard with my first OS (VAX/VMS, circa 1980). :) /ravi

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        Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

        Aside: File versioning came standard with my first OS (VAX/VMS, circa 1980)

        PURGE *.* /KEEP=3

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        • C Chris Maunder

          You'd think. Except it isn't. You've had merge conflicts before, right? Same deal.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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          Bassam Abdul Baki
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          So use a version number before Final in the name to imply it's baselined. Then increment the version number before finalizing and always remove Final while it's a work in progress. document_1.0.doc document_1.1.doc document_2.0_Final.doc document_2.1.doc document_2.2.doc document_2.3.doc document_3.0_Final.doc

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            loctrice
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            We have that here as well. The one that gets me is calling something (everything) "Master".

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            • G Gary Wheeler

              Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

              Aside: File versioning came standard with my first OS (VAX/VMS, circa 1980)

              PURGE *.* /KEEP=3

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              Ravi Bhavnani
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              Your last login was Mon 14-Jul-2014 07:24:08 AM.

              /ravi

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                        Welcome to VAX/VMS 3.1.
                

                Your last login was Mon 14-Jul-2014 07:24:08 AM.

                /ravi

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                Gary Wheeler
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                Your attempt to put me into a state of maudlin sentimentality has succeeded, Ravi. Well played :-D. My last experience with a VAX was on a MicroVAX-II back in the late 80's. I worked for a defense contractor at the time. We developed simulations in FORTRAN and Ada. I also used the machine when I was taking graduate artificial intelligence classes. I *cough* borrowed *cough* a friend's C compiler and ported XLISP[^] from the IBM PC to the VAX.

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                  Your attempt to put me into a state of maudlin sentimentality has succeeded, Ravi. Well played :-D. My last experience with a VAX was on a MicroVAX-II back in the late 80's. I worked for a defense contractor at the time. We developed simulations in FORTRAN and Ada. I also used the machine when I was taking graduate artificial intelligence classes. I *cough* borrowed *cough* a friend's C compiler and ported XLISP[^] from the IBM PC to the VAX.

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                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                  Looks like we've walked similar paths. :) I met my first VAX in 1980 at school, and later in 1987 when I joined DEC's AI group.  There we used a bit of VAX Lisp, but mostly DEC OPS5 to build XCON[^]. /ravi

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                  • R Ravi Bhavnani

                    Looks like we've walked similar paths. :) I met my first VAX in 1980 at school, and later in 1987 when I joined DEC's AI group.  There we used a bit of VAX Lisp, but mostly DEC OPS5 to build XCON[^]. /ravi

                    My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                    Gary Wheeler
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                    Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                    There we used a bit of VAX Lisp, but mostly DEC OPS5 to build XCON

                    We talked about XCON in my AI classes. The opinion was that is was one of the first (if not the first) genuinely useful commercial AI applications. I seem to remember the professor saying there was a sign at DEC that said "Last year I couldn't even spell 'knowledge engineer', and now I R1." :cool:

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                      Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                      There we used a bit of VAX Lisp, but mostly DEC OPS5 to build XCON

                      We talked about XCON in my AI classes. The opinion was that is was one of the first (if not the first) genuinely useful commercial AI applications. I seem to remember the professor saying there was a sign at DEC that said "Last year I couldn't even spell 'knowledge engineer', and now I R1." :cool:

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      Ravi Bhavnani
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                      Ha ha ha!  That was a quote from my boss, John (McDermott): "Three years ago I wanted to be a knowledge engineer, and today I are one." Throwback Tuesday[^] :) /ravi

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                      • R Ravi Bhavnani

                        Ha ha ha!  That was a quote from my boss, John (McDermott): "Three years ago I wanted to be a knowledge engineer, and today I are one." Throwback Tuesday[^] :) /ravi

                        My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                        Gary Wheeler
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                        Awesome. Think the youngsters are annoyed at the old farts and their war stories yet?

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                        • G Gary Wheeler

                          Awesome. Think the youngsters are annoyed at the old farts and their war stories yet?

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                          You're right. ^Z. :) /ravi

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            d shapiro
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                            Is it safe to say that this is your... final pet peeve?

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              Lilith C
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                              I prefer to label mine with "Latest" since I don't know if it will be "final."

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

                                cheers Chris Maunder

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                                sam silvercreek
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                                Which one is the final document? It must be the one named: document - REALLY FINAL - and we mean it this time.doc

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                                • C chriselst

                                  We have live servers with new at the front of the name. I hate to think what we'll have if they need replacing again.

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                                  Simple: Newer. Next update: Newest Final update: Newester

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    User 10798400
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                                    For most documents I create and work on I name them like this: document.YYYY.MM.DD.docx Then I move older copies to a subfolder called archive. This has saved my bacon more than once. They also sort out quite nicely in windows explorer. I gave up long ago calling them final or rev 1 or rev 2, until actually officially released. I work in an engineering firm, and we do have an official document repository. When it's placed there it really is a certain version. then I can name my working file to correspond to the "publishe" official version.

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                                    • C Chris Maunder

                                      I'm organising some documents and I've realised I have a new pet peeve: putting "Final" in a document name to indicate that it's the final version. In itself this isn't awful. What's awful is: document.docx document - final.docx document - final - DG-comments.docx document - FINAL.docx So which one's the final one? This is why documents need source control... [Edit: Just found:" Copy of Copy of document FINAL.docx". We have a winner!]

                                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                                      Mark_Wallace
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                                      I've been known to produce documents like that, but I use a script that renames the files when a new version is added.

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                                      • M Member 4724084

                                        At the risk of starting a war, why not just check the last modified file property? Free versioning that comes with every platform.

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                                        Chris Maunder
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                                        Works perfectly if only one person is working on a document. Breaks down dangerously when two people are working on the same document. Which one is actually the final version and which one was merely saved last?

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        • C CBadger

                                          And if it becomes even more intense one can add the HHmmss :rolleyes: document20140103_085219.docx document20140103_090659.docx document20140103_102534.docx document20140103_102601.docx document20140103_103754.docx document20140103_115910.docx document20140103_142101.docx

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                                          I always add a letter to the date, starting with "a", so I don't have to deal with the time.

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