What's wrong with the USA.
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Colin Davies wrote: Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity To come back to anti - americanism that's not really anti - americanism: I think it's Bush and his government. But I could be wrong, perhaps it's only McDonalds?
We are men. We are different. We have only one word for soap. We do not own candles. We have never seen anything of any value in a craft shop. We do not own magazines full of photographs of celebrities with their clothes on. - Steve
Schlaubi wrote: I think it's Bush and his government Yes exactly - here in Switzerland everyone I know thinks the same and also considers Blair to be a disgrace. I'm ashamed to be British :(( Old Simon HB9DRV
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
My opinion (obviously): Since Vietnam the US has been much more polarized between the conservative view and liberal view. This has caused a swaying of our policies that others have a great problem in understanding. Add to this that in reality we are not all that different and we all would rather say any problems we have must be someone else’s fault. So the US is an easy target, which due to the above is not totally untrue but usually over emphasized. For example of not that different: I have read some about Bush and Chirac over the past week. What I find is the problem those two have is how much alike they are. Looking at the same problem with different view points, jumping on they know what is best no matter what anyone else in the world thinks and then sticking to it no matter what. If either or both would just consider the other side for awhile I think a compromise is easy. (Please do not start a flame war over this. Just an example.) For an example of swaying polices just look at how Bush and Clinton have differed on policy. Clinton throwing over cruise missiles and usually hitting aspirin factories or empty mud huts vs Bush being more selective but using semi permanent ground troops to do it. I wish diplomacy was more open. From my perception if the world would be more proactive in offering alternatives vs reactive we could likely find different options and get along with each other. Maybe this does happen but I never hear of it. But again that is human nature. Look here at CP, we usually just enjoy flaming each other. :rose: ""
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Schlaubi wrote: I think it's Bush and his government Yes exactly - here in Switzerland everyone I know thinks the same and also considers Blair to be a disgrace. I'm ashamed to be British :(( Old Simon HB9DRV
Simon Brown wrote: I'm ashamed to be British I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
It is a huge problem here, no pun intended. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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Colin Davies wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
Colin Davies wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush. Or lack of it... ...naw, Colin's prolly right - obesity. ---
My whole life I've practiced the art of self-sabotage -- fearing success perhaps even more than fearing failure. I think I have got this flareup resolved, but I'm constantly waiting to see what new and exciting ways I can spoil my chances for a better life. - koreykruse, Compulsive Skin Picking
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Colin Davies wrote: Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity To come back to anti - americanism that's not really anti - americanism: I think it's Bush and his government. But I could be wrong, perhaps it's only McDonalds?
We are men. We are different. We have only one word for soap. We do not own candles. We have never seen anything of any value in a craft shop. We do not own magazines full of photographs of celebrities with their clothes on. - Steve
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Dylan Kenneally wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush. Or lack of it... ...naw, Colin's prolly right - obesity. ---
My whole life I've practiced the art of self-sabotage -- fearing success perhaps even more than fearing failure. I think I have got this flareup resolved, but I'm constantly waiting to see what new and exciting ways I can spoil my chances for a better life. - koreykruse, Compulsive Skin Picking
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Out of curiousity, since you dislike Bush, who is your favorite ex-POTUS in recent history? Let's say since Eisenhower. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 and British, my knowledge of US politics is stictly to do with recent (past few years) global events. Of the ones in my life span (not including Carter, as I was 2 when he left office), I'd say Clinton. Simply because he's not Bush snr or Reagan.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 and British, my knowledge of US politics is stictly to do with recent (past few years) global events. Of the ones in my life span (not including Carter, as I was 2 when he left office), I'd say Clinton. Simply because he's not Bush snr or Reagan.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'd say Clinton. While GWB is certainly not my favorite POTUS, Clinton is one of my least favorite so I doubt we'll find much common ground. Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." So maybe in about 7 years we'll agree. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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Jason Henderson wrote: So its not anti-war, its anti-Bush? Sure it's anti - war, but this leads to anti - Bush. Because I think it's the government which propagates and plans a war. I don't know whether the situation would differ in case the US had another president, but I'd tend to that point of view. What I originally intended to say is that (almost) nobody in Germany or France would call our attitude anti - american, what's often misunderstood. But it changes nothing in our attitude against a war.
We are men. We are different. We have only one word for soap. We do not own candles. We have never seen anything of any value in a craft shop. We do not own magazines full of photographs of celebrities with their clothes on. - Steve
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Simon Brown wrote: I'm ashamed to be British I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour. Yes you should be. :-D Quote from a clever bloke : "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour. Yes you should be. :-D Quote from a clever bloke : "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Out of interest, who (if anyone) did you vote for? I know votes are a private thing, so if you don't want to answer then furry muff.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
Out of curiousity, since you dislike Bush, who is your favorite ex-POTUS in recent history? Let's say since Eisenhower. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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Eisenhower and Kennedy
Angels banished from heaven have no choice but to become demons Cowboy Bebop
KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. I'll second that! Jeremy Falcon
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: obesity Well, definitely obesity is one of the 3 things that I don't like on the US, the 2nd is of course (???) McDonalds and the most important the US government wanting to make war disrespecting ONU. This I don't agree, war should be avoided at all costs and only be used as last resort . IMHO, it's a shame this kind of thought by the US government and by the Bristish government. The sad thing is that our Portuguese Prime-Minister is on this war bandwagon too, not that isn't a suprise since his political party a decade ago selled weapons to Iraq ... what ironic ... Peace :rose: Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9 Remember just because a good thing comes to an end, doesn't mean that the next one can't be better.-Chris Meech
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KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Not sure I agree with you here. Both felt a limited advisor ship role was appropriate. Johnson is the one who made it the mess it became. We also have to remember how close the world was to nuclear war in the early 60's. The public opinion to stop the spread of communism was very strong and any of them may not have felt they had any choice. The change is attitude between 1960 and 1970 was dramatic. ""
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote: