What's wrong with the USA.
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Colin Davies wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
Colin Davies wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush. Or lack of it... ...naw, Colin's prolly right - obesity. ---
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Colin Davies wrote: Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity To come back to anti - americanism that's not really anti - americanism: I think it's Bush and his government. But I could be wrong, perhaps it's only McDonalds?
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Dylan Kenneally wrote: What's wrong with the USA Bush. Or lack of it... ...naw, Colin's prolly right - obesity. ---
My whole life I've practiced the art of self-sabotage -- fearing success perhaps even more than fearing failure. I think I have got this flareup resolved, but I'm constantly waiting to see what new and exciting ways I can spoil my chances for a better life. - koreykruse, Compulsive Skin Picking
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Out of curiousity, since you dislike Bush, who is your favorite ex-POTUS in recent history? Let's say since Eisenhower. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 and British, my knowledge of US politics is stictly to do with recent (past few years) global events. Of the ones in my life span (not including Carter, as I was 2 when he left office), I'd say Clinton. Simply because he's not Bush snr or Reagan.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 and British, my knowledge of US politics is stictly to do with recent (past few years) global events. Of the ones in my life span (not including Carter, as I was 2 when he left office), I'd say Clinton. Simply because he's not Bush snr or Reagan.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'd say Clinton. While GWB is certainly not my favorite POTUS, Clinton is one of my least favorite so I doubt we'll find much common ground. Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not sure I'm well informed enough to answer that, being only 23 Wasn't it Winston Churchill who said "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." So maybe in about 7 years we'll agree. ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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Jason Henderson wrote: So its not anti-war, its anti-Bush? Sure it's anti - war, but this leads to anti - Bush. Because I think it's the government which propagates and plans a war. I don't know whether the situation would differ in case the US had another president, but I'd tend to that point of view. What I originally intended to say is that (almost) nobody in Germany or France would call our attitude anti - american, what's often misunderstood. But it changes nothing in our attitude against a war.
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Simon Brown wrote: I'm ashamed to be British I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour. Yes you should be. :-D Quote from a clever bloke : "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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Dylan Kenneally wrote: I'm not, I am however ashamed to have voted Labour. Yes you should be. :-D Quote from a clever bloke : "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
Out of interest, who (if anyone) did you vote for? I know votes are a private thing, so if you don't want to answer then furry muff.
Dylan
[Bush] said he's praying for guidance about Iraq. I'm thinking there is no way God would direct him to start a war with anyone. Only Satan wants wars. Conclusion: Bush must be a Satan Worshiper. Cathy, Soapbox, 07/03/03 -
Out of curiousity, since you dislike Bush, who is your favorite ex-POTUS in recent history? Let's say since Eisenhower. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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Eisenhower and Kennedy
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KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. I'll second that! Jeremy Falcon
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
Colin Davies wrote: obesity Well, definitely obesity is one of the 3 things that I don't like on the US, the 2nd is of course (???) McDonalds and the most important the US government wanting to make war disrespecting ONU. This I don't agree, war should be avoided at all costs and only be used as last resort . IMHO, it's a shame this kind of thought by the US government and by the Bristish government. The sad thing is that our Portuguese Prime-Minister is on this war bandwagon too, not that isn't a suprise since his political party a decade ago selled weapons to Iraq ... what ironic ... Peace :rose: Cheers,Joao Vaz And if your dream is to care for your family, to put food on the table, to provide them with an education and a good home, then maybe suffering through an endless, pointless, boring job will seem to have purpose. And you will realize how even a rock can change the world, simply by remaining obstinately stationary.-Shog9 Remember just because a good thing comes to an end, doesn't mean that the next one can't be better.-Chris Meech
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KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Not sure I agree with you here. Both felt a limited advisor ship role was appropriate. Johnson is the one who made it the mess it became. We also have to remember how close the world was to nuclear war in the early 60's. The public opinion to stop the spread of communism was very strong and any of them may not have felt they had any choice. The change is attitude between 1960 and 1970 was dramatic. ""
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As a non american not in america I'm continually being bombarded my messages of anti - americanism. The deliverers of these messages are generally stupid people who can't hold a decent arguement let alone throw a good punch. However they exist, and the more trash they spout, unfortunately the more idiots follow them. True the USA has problems, but not as many as these jealous idiots purport. And blaming everything always on the US doesn't solve anything. Anyhow back to my Subject Line "What's wrong with the USA." asfar as I'm concerned its obesity. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:
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Mike Mullikin wrote: I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Not sure I agree with you here. Both felt a limited advisor ship role was appropriate. Johnson is the one who made it the mess it became. We also have to remember how close the world was to nuclear war in the early 60's. The public opinion to stop the spread of communism was very strong and any of them may not have felt they had any choice. The change is attitude between 1960 and 1970 was dramatic. ""
I have an excellent book at home (therefore right now, I have no clue of it's title and author :-O - I'll have to get back to you on that) that paints a much different picture. It was written by a reporter that lived in Vietnam from the late 40's or early 50's. He referenced documents from Vietnamese sources as well as documents from our consulate and administration. Both Eisenhower and Kennedy were strongly warned by many advisors that Vietnam was to be avoided like the plague and both were too arrogant to listen. If either had taken the time to listen Johnson wouldn't of had to make the stupid decisions he did. Don't get me wrong, Johnson made some horrendous mistakes but Eisenhower and Kennedy put us in the position in the first place. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
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They don't play Cricket! :wtf:
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KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Hey remember Nixon got the US out of that mess ;P Liberals hate when you point that out...... Something about the truth hurting Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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KaЯl wrote: Eisenhower and Kennedy I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam. Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place? :rolleyes: Hint: France Mike Mullikin :beer:
Times change, politicians don't. - Anna-Jayne Metcalfe - Soapbox 10/03/2003
Mike Mullikin wrote: I'm surprised to hear that, considering they are probably the most responsible POTUS's for US involvement in Vietnam It seems this affirmation is already contested :) Mike Mullikin wrote: Gee, I wonder who left Vietnam in such a screwed up mess in the first place In Indochine french soldiers were as mercenaries doing the job for the US. France could never afford a war just after WW2. That's however true that a big occasion was missed in 1946 because of the internal political mess X|
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Hey remember Nixon got the US out of that mess ;P Liberals hate when you point that out...... Something about the truth hurting Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
At last Nixon listened finally to De Gaulle's speech in Phnom Penh in '66 ;P
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