C++
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And then of course, the huge issue -- having to remember to delete objects! Having automated garbage collection is just so nice
Well, once you get used to unique_ptr and shared_ptr, that should take care of that issue :-)
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
Well, once you get used to unique_ptr and shared_ptr, that should take care of that issue
Definitely useful. While I sound like a curmudgeon, it's still a bandaid. But...thank you for pointing (harhar) those out -- I'll make use of them, looks like gcc-linaro supports those constructs. Guess I should tool up on my knowledge of where C++ has gone since I last used it. :-O Marc
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At $100 I highly recommend this tool: http://www.wingdb.com/wgFeatures.htm[^] I've been using it since 2010. It works extremely well. I will have to check out VisualGDB.
Paul M Watt wrote:
At $100 I highly recommend this tool:
Thanks! Looks quite useful. Marc
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Last standardization made
C++much more attractive, in my opinion. However, I recognize that highly depends on your needs. For instance, I still love coding inCbut I preferLuafor fast prototyping and whenever higher level features are of great advantage (for the coder).Marc Clifton wrote:
Oh, and have I said before how I loathe Eclipse? Indeed I have. Unfortunately, the Eclipse IDE just adds to the annoyance of working in C++
Man, using
Javacode for writingC++is frustrating, both for the developer and theC++itself. On the lucky sideviis written inC.THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?! -- C++ FQA Lite
CPallini wrote:
On the lucky side
viis written inC.Unlike many of the PC and MacIntosh editors, the mouse does not move the cursor within the vi editor screen (or window). You must use the the key commands listed below. On some UNIX platforms, the arrow keys may be used as well; however, since vi was designed with the Qwerty keyboard (containing no arrow keys) in mind, the arrow keys sometimes produce strange effects in vi and should be avoided. OK, there's the stone ages, and then there's primordial ooze. vi belongs to the latter. ;) Marc
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CPallini wrote:
On the lucky side
viis written inC.Unlike many of the PC and MacIntosh editors, the mouse does not move the cursor within the vi editor screen (or window). You must use the the key commands listed below. On some UNIX platforms, the arrow keys may be used as well; however, since vi was designed with the Qwerty keyboard (containing no arrow keys) in mind, the arrow keys sometimes produce strange effects in vi and should be avoided. OK, there's the stone ages, and then there's primordial ooze. vi belongs to the latter. ;) Marc
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:thumbsup:
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
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Nice way to take advantage of Marc's boring analogy and use it as a chance to tell us about your first car. Been dying to do that, haven't you? :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
Marc's boring analogy
Boring? BORING??? Come now, I spent actual BC's (brain cycles) working that analogy. A little respect, please! Marc
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If you are using a recent compiler, you should be able to use C++ 11 features like lambdas that would make it similar to your C#/Java programming.
Regards, Nish
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Bah. I prefer the C++014X version, and am positively drooling at what is being investigated for 17X.
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Bah. I prefer the C++014X version, and am positively drooling at what is being investigated for 17X.
So then I can ask, "is your compiler 17?" :cool:
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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CPallini wrote:
On the lucky side
viis written inC.Unlike many of the PC and MacIntosh editors, the mouse does not move the cursor within the vi editor screen (or window). You must use the the key commands listed below. On some UNIX platforms, the arrow keys may be used as well; however, since vi was designed with the Qwerty keyboard (containing no arrow keys) in mind, the arrow keys sometimes produce strange effects in vi and should be avoided. OK, there's the stone ages, and then there's primordial ooze. vi belongs to the latter. ;) Marc
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If you don't like the primordial ooze you could use
vim. You don't even need a cross compiler with toC&vi.THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?! -- C++ FQA Lite
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Speaking of skills I had once learned, I find myself coding in C++ again for the Beaglebone Black. While it's a nostalgic experience, I really, really, don't miss it. It's as if someone were to give me back my first car in the same condition it was in when I gave it away. Functional, does the job, etc., but old and clunky. Oh, and have I said before how I loathe Eclipse? Indeed I have. Unfortunately, the Eclipse IDE just adds to the annoyance of working in C++. For $350, this[^] is becoming more and more attractive. Marc
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I agree Eclipse does really suck, what little I've done on BBB has been using it and C++. I guess that one reason I haven't done a lot with the BBB. As far as C++ I've been writing code encouraging the old embedded C programmers to convert but I tried that 20 some odd years ago at a place I worked and I met resistance at every turn and eventually gave up. Given C or C++ I'll take C++ every time.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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So then I can ask, "is your compiler 17?" :cool:
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
You certainly can.
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You certainly can.
:jig:
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Speaking of skills I had once learned, I find myself coding in C++ again for the Beaglebone Black. While it's a nostalgic experience, I really, really, don't miss it. It's as if someone were to give me back my first car in the same condition it was in when I gave it away. Functional, does the job, etc., but old and clunky. Oh, and have I said before how I loathe Eclipse? Indeed I have. Unfortunately, the Eclipse IDE just adds to the annoyance of working in C++. For $350, this[^] is becoming more and more attractive. Marc
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VisualGBD looks interesting...
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That would help, but it's also things like writing header files to define the class structure and the a separate cpp file for the implementation. Seems archaic. And then of course, the huge issue -- having to remember to delete objects! Having automated garbage collection is just so nice. Marc
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I prefer A well written header file over a single ASP .Net page with 1000+ lines JavaScript and 3500 lines code behind. The header can serve as a directory without all the details not only for the compiler, but even more for the developers. I know that managing your memory is below most people's dignity now. In most cases it turns out that I just have to write 'delete oSomeStuff' instead of 'someStuff.Dispose()'. If that's all. Garbage collectorss make programmers ignorant and wasteful anyway. But if you must, why don't you get yourself a garbage collector for C++?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
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Speaking of skills I had once learned, I find myself coding in C++ again for the Beaglebone Black. While it's a nostalgic experience, I really, really, don't miss it. It's as if someone were to give me back my first car in the same condition it was in when I gave it away. Functional, does the job, etc., but old and clunky. Oh, and have I said before how I loathe Eclipse? Indeed I have. Unfortunately, the Eclipse IDE just adds to the annoyance of working in C++. For $350, this[^] is becoming more and more attractive. Marc
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old and clunky? have you looked at C++11? the language continues to evolve and has some nice updates through the latest standard.
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and the chicks. :wtf:
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
CPallini wrote:
On the lucky side
viis written inC.Unlike many of the PC and MacIntosh editors, the mouse does not move the cursor within the vi editor screen (or window). You must use the the key commands listed below. On some UNIX platforms, the arrow keys may be used as well; however, since vi was designed with the Qwerty keyboard (containing no arrow keys) in mind, the arrow keys sometimes produce strange effects in vi and should be avoided. OK, there's the stone ages, and then there's primordial ooze. vi belongs to the latter. ;) Marc
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Pfft, arrow keys, the greatest key ever created is the Gold Key. http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/physical-object/digital_equipment_corporation_dec/102654870.lg.jpg[^]
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I agree Eclipse does really suck, what little I've done on BBB has been using it and C++. I guess that one reason I haven't done a lot with the BBB. As far as C++ I've been writing code encouraging the old embedded C programmers to convert but I tried that 20 some odd years ago at a place I worked and I met resistance at every turn and eventually gave up. Given C or C++ I'll take C++ every time.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
Mike Hankey wrote:
Given C or C++ I'll take C++ every time.
100% agreed. Marc
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old and clunky? have you looked at C++11? the language continues to evolve and has some nice updates through the latest standard.
Dave Calkins wrote:
the language continues to evolve and has some nice updates through the latest standard.
I know - I need to brush up (actually, more like get a big broom and sweep up!) Marc
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That depends on what you are used to. A lot of my C++ dev friends hate C# syntax.
Regards, Nish
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To be honest here, Nish! Assuming the devs are just getting exposed to both the language at the same time. I'm sure C# attracts more. The simplicity of the language and robust .net framework behind the scene makes C# the preferred choice. Having said that, I truly loved every bit of C++ too. My first so many years of programming were only with C++. And I truly loved working with it. There were no complaints except for those unhumanly STL compiler error "messages". & some wired Syntaxes like the static variable "initialization" in Cpp files to name. I understand it's a language feature, but it's still not intuitive. But once I got into C#, there was no compelling reason for me to try something in C++. And honestly, I never LEARNED C# by reading books or tutorials. One fine day, I simply started coding in C# ;). I find it's one of the most intuitive language. Only when we talk about performance constraints, I might look back at C++. When I say "C++" , I mean the platform-independant , standard , stroustrup's C++. Microsoft's implementation gives me creeps :doh: Anybody wishing to learn C++ through MS implementation, I'm sure would run away. The arrow marks <^>^ pointing all directions makes the code less readable. To read it (Sample below!) like a love letter, you gotta be a bot like NISH! ;P
emplate
void ReadString(String^ fileName, Callback func)
{
StorageFolder^ item = KnownFolders::PicturesLibrary;auto getFileOp = item->GetFileAsync(fileName);
getFileOp->Completed = ref new AsyncOperationCompletedHandler
([=](IAsyncOperation^ operation, AsyncStatus status)
{
auto storageFile = operation->GetResults();
auto openOp = storageFile->OpenAsync(FileAccessMode::Read);
openOp->Completed =
ref new AsyncOperationCompletedHandler ([=](IAsyncOperation^ operation, AsyncStatus status)
{
auto istream = operation->GetResults();
auto reader = ref new DataReader(istream);
auto loadOp = reader->LoadAsync(istream->Size);
loadOp->Completed = ref new AsyncOperationCompletedHandler
([=](IAsyncOperation^ operation, AsyncStatus status)
{
auto bytesRead = operation->GetResults();
auto str = reader->ReadString(bytesRead);
func(str);
});
});
});
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Mike Hankey wrote:
Given C or C++ I'll take C++ every time.
100% agreed. Marc
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