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  • N Nagy Vilmos

    The base is concaved so it must turn from there.

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    I though you were on Hols...

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    • D DaveAuld

      The flat bottom will create drag. the rounded sides will allow smooth transition of fluid round the object providing stability......but that is just my guess!

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      Munchies_Matt
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      I think that since the flow is laminar, and not turbulent, you are probably right. If it were turbulent, it would adopt a tear drop shape, water falling through air, which would be most closely be approximated by it falling end on.

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        I though you were on Hols...

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        I am. The girls are shopping and I am waiting. In a bar. With wifi. There may, or may not, be a champion's breakfast beside me. :beer:

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        • N Nagy Vilmos

          I am. The girls are shopping and I am waiting. In a bar. With wifi. There may, or may not, be a champion's breakfast beside me. :beer:

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          Lucky *****! :)

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          • N Nagy Vilmos

            The base is concaved so it must turn from there.

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            Rob Philpott
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            Reminds me of a discussion (argument) which may have happened in real life or perhaps even here. Why do Champagne bottles (except Cristal) have concave bases? A. For strength B. For stacking C. To make the bottle appear bigger Genuine question, I can't remember the answer.

            Regards, Rob Philpott.

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            • M Munchies_Matt

              I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

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              Keith Barrow
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              Munchies_Matt wrote:

              Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways?

              Yes - as the bottle has a circular cross section - fluid flow round circles is pretty efficient, despite the larger presenented surface area in the direction of travel.

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              • R Rob Philpott

                Reminds me of a discussion (argument) which may have happened in real life or perhaps even here. Why do Champagne bottles (except Cristal) have concave bases? A. For strength B. For stacking C. To make the bottle appear bigger Genuine question, I can't remember the answer.

                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                Munchies_Matt
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                Strength. A concave surface is stronger than a flat one.

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                • M Munchies_Matt

                  Strength. A concave surface is stronger than a flat one.

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                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                  IIRC it was invented by the British to stop French sparking wine (ie champers) from exploding

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                  • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                    IIRC it was invented by the British to stop French sparking wine (ie champers) from exploding

                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    Don't know who invented it, but it is for strength reasons.

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                    • M Munchies_Matt

                      Don't know who invented it, but it is for strength reasons.

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                      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                      it is, the concave bottom allows the contents to be under higher pressure, the original problem was the wine bottles if disturbed blew the bottom of the bottle off, not a good idea if you export wine

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                        I though you were on Hols...

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                        Lost User
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                        someone asked a question with the word 'beer' in it - Nagy receives automatic alerts for any booze-related posts ...

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                          someone asked a question with the word 'beer' in it - Nagy receives automatic alerts for any booze-related posts ...

                          PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                          glennPattonWork3
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                          Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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                          • G glennPattonWork3

                            Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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                            While sometimes a little out-of-this-world, or off-the-planet, I wouldn't describe the nodge as an alien...

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                            • G glennPattonWork3

                              Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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                              Oh! Sorry - sor the email and not the post - I see you did a bob - I thought you wrote the word alien - if you see what I mean!

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                                Oh! Sorry - sor the email and not the post - I see you did a bob - I thought you wrote the word alien - if you see what I mean!

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                                No worries!:cool:

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                                • M Munchies_Matt

                                  I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

                                  Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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                                  cptKoala
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                                  What I can't figure out and what suprises me is the fact you left the bottle of beer behind :doh:

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                                    What I can't figure out and what suprises me is the fact you left the bottle of beer behind :doh:

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                                    • M Munchies_Matt

                                      I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

                                      Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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                                      kmoorevs
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                                      Wow, excellent observation, question and answers! :thumbsup:

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                                      • M Munchies_Matt

                                        It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        To misquote George Banks: "... rendering the beer undrinkable, even by Americans."

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                                        • M Munchies_Matt

                                          It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                                          Joe Woodbury
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                                          You could have Nagy do a taste test.

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