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  • R Rob Philpott

    Reminds me of a discussion (argument) which may have happened in real life or perhaps even here. Why do Champagne bottles (except Cristal) have concave bases? A. For strength B. For stacking C. To make the bottle appear bigger Genuine question, I can't remember the answer.

    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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    Munchies_Matt
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    Strength. A concave surface is stronger than a flat one.

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      Strength. A concave surface is stronger than a flat one.

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      Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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      IIRC it was invented by the British to stop French sparking wine (ie champers) from exploding

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      • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

        IIRC it was invented by the British to stop French sparking wine (ie champers) from exploding

        You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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        Don't know who invented it, but it is for strength reasons.

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          Don't know who invented it, but it is for strength reasons.

          Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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          it is, the concave bottom allows the contents to be under higher pressure, the original problem was the wine bottles if disturbed blew the bottom of the bottle off, not a good idea if you export wine

          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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          • G glennPattonWork3

            I though you were on Hols...

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            someone asked a question with the word 'beer' in it - Nagy receives automatic alerts for any booze-related posts ...

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              someone asked a question with the word 'beer' in it - Nagy receives automatic alerts for any booze-related posts ...

              PooperPig - Coming Soon

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              glennPattonWork3
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              Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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              • G glennPattonWork3

                Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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                While sometimes a little out-of-this-world, or off-the-planet, I wouldn't describe the nodge as an alien...

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                • G glennPattonWork3

                  Ahh, that explains it a sort of :beer:+:bob: alert...

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                  Oh! Sorry - sor the email and not the post - I see you did a bob - I thought you wrote the word alien - if you see what I mean!

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                    Oh! Sorry - sor the email and not the post - I see you did a bob - I thought you wrote the word alien - if you see what I mean!

                    PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                    glennPattonWork3
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                    No worries!:cool:

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                    • M Munchies_Matt

                      I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

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                      What I can't figure out and what suprises me is the fact you left the bottle of beer behind :doh:

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                        What I can't figure out and what suprises me is the fact you left the bottle of beer behind :doh:

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                        It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                          I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

                          Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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                          kmoorevs
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                          Wow, excellent observation, question and answers! :thumbsup:

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                            It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            To misquote George Banks: "... rendering the beer undrinkable, even by Americans."

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            • M Munchies_Matt

                              It was a good few months old IMO. I didn't think it would be that drinkable. :)

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                              Joe Woodbury
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                              You could have Nagy do a taste test.

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                              • R Rob Philpott

                                Reminds me of a discussion (argument) which may have happened in real life or perhaps even here. Why do Champagne bottles (except Cristal) have concave bases? A. For strength B. For stacking C. To make the bottle appear bigger Genuine question, I can't remember the answer.

                                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                PapaCraft
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                                not at all, only to put the thumb in its ass for serving it... "A flute of champagne must be filled with elegance! As well as the opening of the bottle, Champagne service has its ritual which contributes to the pleasure of the guests. To be paid, the Champagne bottle can be held in the Middle full hand (as is done for other wines). It is also very convenient, especially for the magnums, grasp the bottom of the bottle, right hand thumb introduced in flare and other fingers stretched under the base of the Bole, the other hand gently supporting the neck." Exactly what I say shortly! :-\ http://www.maisons-champagne.com/encyclopedie/vignes_au_plaisir/servir_champagne.htm[^]

                                entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

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                                  not at all, only to put the thumb in its ass for serving it... "A flute of champagne must be filled with elegance! As well as the opening of the bottle, Champagne service has its ritual which contributes to the pleasure of the guests. To be paid, the Champagne bottle can be held in the Middle full hand (as is done for other wines). It is also very convenient, especially for the magnums, grasp the bottom of the bottle, right hand thumb introduced in flare and other fingers stretched under the base of the Bole, the other hand gently supporting the neck." Exactly what I say shortly! :-\ http://www.maisons-champagne.com/encyclopedie/vignes_au_plaisir/servir_champagne.htm[^]

                                  entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem

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                                  Rob Philpott
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                                  Very nice!

                                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                  • M Munchies_Matt

                                    I was snorkelling at the weekend and saw a bottle of beer on the sea bed with the top on, I went down to have a look and sure enough, it did. I let it drop back to the sea bed, vertically, neck up, expecting it to hold that position the entire way, but it didn't, it turned sideways, and fell the entire distance sideways, straight down, without any wobble, or instability. Wow I thought, a bottle of beer, falling through water, has LESS drag falling sideways then length ways? I was surprised. Can anyone suggest a reason why this should be?

                                    Sign a petition calling for the boycott of Israel until it returns to its legal 1967 borders.

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                                    Member 4194593
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                                    I'll take a stab. The bottle has less drag falling sideways (smooth shape) than it does with the bottom first (square shape). Dave.

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                                      I'll take a stab. The bottle has less drag falling sideways (smooth shape) than it does with the bottom first (square shape). Dave.

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                                      Munchies_Matt
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                                      It must have. What is odd is that there is so much less drag despite the massive increase in frontal are when falling sideways. I wish I could find a pic of a bottle falling in air, from a great height, to see what attitude it adopts. It might indicate an effect of boundary layer flow is playing a part.

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