Loop exit

[CBadger]

You tell me :doh:

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[CBadger]

Mark_Wallace wrote:

They should be done burned for false advertising.

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[Roger Wright]

An elegant solution, Shirley! ;)

Will Rogers never met me.

[Mark_Wallace]

Why, thank you, Shirley. They say that elegance is simplicity, so I must be pretty elegant.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

[irneb]

:rolleyes: I like that ... for that matter, why loop at all? Just use goto and loose the while/for - just wear some flame retardant apparel. Actually, hang on, why even use goto? Why not copy-paste the code the required number of times instead of looping at all! Yeah! That's what Id do! :laugh:

[Stefan_Lang]

I haven't read all the responses that may or may not give a hint in that direction, but what exactly is it that these commands do that a break statement in C doesn't?

GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

[harvyk0]

Here is a real world example for you

for (property = 0, len = obj.length; property < len; property++) {
if (callback.call(obj[property], property, obj[property]) === false) {
break;
}
}

Once the following is true (callback.call(obj[property], property, obj[property]) === false), there is no point in continuing the loop, as a result the break will exit the loop. If the method has the answer it is looking for, you can also do

for (property = 0, len = obj.length; property < len; property++) {
if (callback.call(obj[property], property, obj[property]) === false) {
return 1;
}
}

so that not only will the loop end, but if there is nothing more in the method which will add value to the answer, the data is returned without needing to continue (bad choice of words, since continue has it's own special meaning) the loop and without needing to look at any more code.

[Stefan_Lang]

That wasn't my question at all. I know what break does. And exactly because I understand what it does, I do not understand the original question! I don't know Planc, but from the original posting my understanding was that the commands pointed out there - exitfor, exitwhile - simply exit from the loop. Just like break does. I don't see the difference, and therefore I don't see the point of the question.

GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

[Simon ORiordan from UK]

Goto the cockpit and see what the hold up is. And don't call me Shirley.

[SortaCore]

I've been known to use it for "load variable amounts of stuff from DB as needed" and use goto to get to the cleanup/UI enabling at the end. It probably comes from the habit of preferring:

void someFunc()
{
if (!A)
return;
DoStuffWithA()
DoMoreCrud();
}

rather than

void someFunc()
{
if (A)
{
DoStuffWithA();
DoMoreCrud();
}
}
// TWO close braces with no code between? Surely you jest.

[L Braun]

After a loop, how do you know if you finished it or breaked out of it? This post is not about just leaving a loop, but about knowing how you left it and act according it. We probably all know how to do that in c, but this is about a language that adds syntax elements for that.

[Mark_Wallace]

Looks like a nonsense reason, to me. You can just put a message before the break statement.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

[Mark_Wallace]

Mark_Wallace wrote:

You can just put a message before the break statement.

Goto! Before the goto statement! Damn!

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

[Stefan_Lang]

How do you know the difference in Planc if you used exit***? As I said, I don't understand what, exactly, these statements do, and the OP doesn't inidicate they do anything beyond breaking out of the loop. That's what break does, too. Hence my question.

GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

[Eduard Matei]

"Are there other languages out there with something similar?" Python has this "syntactic sugar" for alternate loop exit:

for item in iterable:
if condition(item):
break
process(item)
else:
print("No item in iterable meets the condition")

The else signifies that the for loop has finished without "break"-ing.

[Matthew Barnett]

In Python, loops can take an 'else' clause. It's run if you don't break out of the loop. For example:

for item in collection:
if some_test(item):
print('Found one!')
break
else:
print('No match found.')

[L Braun]

After reading the original post again, I wasn't sure I got it right, so I had a look in wikipedia about PLANC. Now I think EXITFOR specifies what to do if the for loop exits normally and the EXITWHILE specifies what to do when a WHILE clause (one of many) becomes true. Both blocks are specified inside the loop. So I see a WHILE in PLANC as a "if() break;" construction in c. And EXITFOR and EXITWHILE would be coded as something like if (got_out_with_break) {// EXITWHILE block} else {// EXITFOR block} but I could be wrong :) As stated below - Python got it as well.

[Mike E Andrews]

Visual Basic.NET supports similar constructs, such as:

Exit For
Exit While
Exit Do

and continuations like:

Continue For
Continue While
Continue Do

[Stefan_Lang]

After reading the python remark below I think I've got it (good thing you pointed that out! :thumbsup:) I'm not quite convinced of the benefits though. It may indeed - as the OP stated - safe you an extra if or flag variable. But the price you pay is readability: the conditional code can be in an entirely different place than the condition, with potentially a lot of code in between. Even worse, after reading over the OP again, it seems like there can be several while statements that can all trigger the same exitwhile, meaning that there can be several conditons that are all in different places, separated from the conditional code and the other conditions as well! How on earth are you supposed to keep track of the flow of control in code like that? :confused: There may be cases where such a language construct may make sense, and even be better readable than the alternatives offered in C and other languages. But I sense a great potential of abuse, and I suspect it takes both experience and sense of responsibility to use it well. Should a programming language support such a feature? If you say "yes", will you also agree that cars should be allowed to use the sidewalks (provided they are wide enough)?. These are the same questions! So, the answer is also the same: we cannot assume that people will use that option responsibly, so we're better off without it!

GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

[Member 4608898]

But if you had for (...) { for (...) { I want to exitfor from the outer loop from a condition in the inner loop } } How would you do it? goto was invented for a reason and this is it!!! :-D