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  • C chriselst

    Have you never seen Die Hard 2? The could change what ground level was!

    Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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    Lost User
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    That's the worst that could happen.. There you are sipping your drink while watching "Die Hard 2" on your in-flight screen when all of a sudden, everyone's film gets changed to "Love Actually" on repeat, for the full duration of the flight. Still, better than being blown up isn't it? :confused:

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      That's the worst that could happen.. There you are sipping your drink while watching "Die Hard 2" on your in-flight screen when all of a sudden, everyone's film gets changed to "Love Actually" on repeat, for the full duration of the flight. Still, better than being blown up isn't it? :confused:

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      SomeGuyThatIsMe
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      Yes, but not by much.

      Please remember to rate helpful or unhelpful answers, it lets us and people reading the forums know if our answers are any good.

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      • S Simon ORiordan from UK

        Satellite comms? Wow. Fundamental. Not. My first flight as a twelve year old was on a Boeing 720 to Canada. We didn't have no stinking satellite. When the crew invited me onto the fight deck, they showed me frost on the side window from the -50 degree air, and how the navigator used the stars through a viewing dome in the roof. Flight controls have come a long way since then; they are 'By Wire', so electric, but they won't be connected to any other system except the batteries and their own, dedicated, presumably hard-embedded computing. The batteries which take on the role of old hydraulic accumulators. On the other hand....are we talking about modern engineers?:~

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        caposada
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        Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: When the crew invited me onto the fight deck, they showed me frost on the side window from the -50 degree air, and how the navigator used the stars through a viewing dome in the roof. Sorry, that just reminded me of this

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        • S SomeGuyThatIsMe

          Yes, but not by much.

          Please remember to rate helpful or unhelpful answers, it lets us and people reading the forums know if our answers are any good.

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          Lost User
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          Just trying to think what would be the worst terrorist weapon? Hitch, The Wedding Planner, Bridget Jones' Diary 2..? X|

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          • C caposada

            Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: When the crew invited me onto the fight deck, they showed me frost on the side window from the -50 degree air, and how the navigator used the stars through a viewing dome in the roof. Sorry, that just reminded me of this

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            Simon ORiordan from UK
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            I was waiting for one of you to spot that. Well done that man.

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              Just trying to think what would be the worst terrorist weapon? Hitch, The Wedding Planner, Bridget Jones' Diary 2..? X|

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              Simon ORiordan from UK
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              Sister Act 2. Any new Star Wars. :doh:

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              • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                Sister Act 2. Any new Star Wars. :doh:

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                Weapons of Mass Irritation

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                • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                  Satellite comms? Wow. Fundamental. Not. My first flight as a twelve year old was on a Boeing 720 to Canada. We didn't have no stinking satellite. When the crew invited me onto the fight deck, they showed me frost on the side window from the -50 degree air, and how the navigator used the stars through a viewing dome in the roof. Flight controls have come a long way since then; they are 'By Wire', so electric, but they won't be connected to any other system except the batteries and their own, dedicated, presumably hard-embedded computing. The batteries which take on the role of old hydraulic accumulators. On the other hand....are we talking about modern engineers?:~

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                  Stuart Dootson
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                  Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote:

                  Flight controls have come a long way since then; they are 'By Wire', so electric, but they won't be connected to any other system except the batteries and their own, dedicated, presumably hard-embedded computing.

                  Mmmmm - possibly not... The yoke & throttles are just the user interface, really - the flight control system has overall control of an airliner's attitude, altitude and speed, so needs to be able to command the control surfaces, the engines...all of the aircraft systems, really. Airliners these days have (slightly modified) ethernet connecting all these mission-critical systems, in order that they can communicate. That network is separated from the cabin network systems, although I'm not sure if the separation is via an air-gap or by using appropriately filtering switches - you'd hope an air-gap... Oh - and they don't tend to use batteries either - power comes from the engines or (if they're not running) an APU[^].

                  Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!

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                  • B BillWoodruff

                    "Cyber security researcher Ruben Santamarta says he has figured out how to hack the satellite communications equipment on passenger jets through their WiFi and inflight entertainment systems - a claim that, if confirmed, could prompt a review of aircraft security." [^]

                    “I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

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                    patbob
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                    This sounds a lot like what this guy demonstrated a year ago[^]. So the news here probably isn't that its possible, but that someone else has done it.

                    We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                    • B BillWoodruff

                      "Cyber security researcher Ruben Santamarta says he has figured out how to hack the satellite communications equipment on passenger jets through their WiFi and inflight entertainment systems - a claim that, if confirmed, could prompt a review of aircraft security." [^]

                      “I have diligently numbered the days of pure and genuine happiness which have fallen to my lot: They amount to 14.” Abd-Ar Rahman III, Caliph of Cordoba, circa 950CE.

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                      SoMad
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                      Quote:

                      Hughes spokeswoman Judy Blake said hardcoded credentials were "a necessary" feature for customer service. The worst a hacker could do is to disable the communication link, she said.

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                      "When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty

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                      • C chriselst

                        Have you never seen Die Hard 2? The could change what ground level was!

                        Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                        obermd
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                        Ever land in Denver. I think many "unhacked" aircraft think Denver's runways are about 10 ft below their actual elevation.

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                        • S Stuart Dootson

                          Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote:

                          Flight controls have come a long way since then; they are 'By Wire', so electric, but they won't be connected to any other system except the batteries and their own, dedicated, presumably hard-embedded computing.

                          Mmmmm - possibly not... The yoke & throttles are just the user interface, really - the flight control system has overall control of an airliner's attitude, altitude and speed, so needs to be able to command the control surfaces, the engines...all of the aircraft systems, really. Airliners these days have (slightly modified) ethernet connecting all these mission-critical systems, in order that they can communicate. That network is separated from the cabin network systems, although I'm not sure if the separation is via an air-gap or by using appropriately filtering switches - you'd hope an air-gap... Oh - and they don't tend to use batteries either - power comes from the engines or (if they're not running) an APU[^].

                          Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!

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                          Simon ORiordan from UK
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                          "Oh - and they don't tend to use batteries either - power comes from the engines or (if they're not running) an APU[^]." -Er yes. The engines probably feed the battery. Remember when 787's were grounded? Although direct power(through a regulator) would be more in keeping with redundancy of systems, and is thus far more desirable. I believe the first FBW plane was the Avro Vulcan of the 1950's. They even had to develop new lubricants for the control surfaces as they were flying around 60,000 feet.

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                          • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                            "Oh - and they don't tend to use batteries either - power comes from the engines or (if they're not running) an APU[^]." -Er yes. The engines probably feed the battery. Remember when 787's were grounded? Although direct power(through a regulator) would be more in keeping with redundancy of systems, and is thus far more desirable. I believe the first FBW plane was the Avro Vulcan of the 1950's. They even had to develop new lubricants for the control surfaces as they were flying around 60,000 feet.

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                            Stuart Dootson
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                            The batteries are only used while other power sources (engines, APU) are off-line. In normal operation, they don't provide power, just (as you say) consume it to be recharged. Although that would all change if this beastie[^] were to be made...

                            Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!

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                              The batteries are only used while other power sources (engines, APU) are off-line. In normal operation, they don't provide power, just (as you say) consume it to be recharged. Although that would all change if this beastie[^] were to be made...

                              Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!

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                              Simon ORiordan from UK
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                              Interesting; essentially a turbo shaft powering propulsors. No apparent need for a bypass-type ;) engine unless the propulsors are supplementary. Redundancy again. Loss of the power bus would enable the fan to keep the craft aloft until a diversion could be found.

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