What next for CP? (Part II)
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That's true for most of the ones that post questions, but i've been using this site for 4 years already and only needed to post one programing question after 2 years. It's a good idea that might help some people.
Exactly, and that's why most of us like to try and answer questions. But it gets a bit tedious when so many users only come here because they are too lazy to read the documentation, use their debugger to collect some useful diagnostic information, or even to use Google.
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Online chat is a terrible idea. Who, exactly, would you connect to? Bear in mind that the people who answer questions are volunteers, and that this site is frequented by people from all round the world, the chances of you connecting to the person who is able, and has the time to work through the problem, is tiny. So no, online chat is not an option.
My idea for the online chat was not for the QA. It was more for the Lounge and The weird and Wonderful. For sharing more interesting articles and other things. With my expierience irc is a really good time filler. And yet again this idea may not be as good as it sounded inside my head.
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I should call this a perfect shot. I had raised the same solution before almost a year ago, i don't remember exactly but it didn't get any response. This is the only solution to curb the rubbish.
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly"- SoMad
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My idea for the online chat was not for the QA. It was more for the Lounge and The weird and Wonderful. For sharing more interesting articles and other things. With my expierience irc is a really good time filler. And yet again this idea may not be as good as it sounded inside my head.
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
I fail to see what online chat would bring over posting to the forums. Part of the problem is that the very nature of chat moves away from the idea of giving considered opinion and is best suited to things that don't need to survive after the chat session ends.
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
perhaps a new "Type" icon would be better? (General, News, Question, ...) In QA you do not select one by default forcing the user to choose one before submitting the question. Another forum, another place, there are already so many around it is even hard for professional people to get around. just my two cents ;)
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
I doubt the idiots who can't be bothered to Google their exact question title will bother to post in the right section, either, particularly if that section has a reputation as a 'bin' where good answerers don't bother to look. So that leaves Protector members to move questions into the 'bin'. Why not just have Protector members delete the crap questions?
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
Since a good portion of the homework questions are repeats what about a homework knowledge base? Maybe a button when a question is answered correctly that would give the option to enter answer in the knowledge base.
Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9.
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
A new section or area will just confuse people more. They will post in the wrong place and then just get nasty messages about how they need to post elsewhere. How about a way to search/filter QAs by reputation? Typically a homework question is written by someone new with a lower rep value. Or else adding a way for the questioner to specify their experience level? And filters/search for that?
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No, don't get me wrong I mean something like irc. The hamsters could add a special button "NEED CODEZ URGENTZZZZZ" :laugh:
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
when the special button is clicked: int main() { printf("Hello world\n"); exit(0); } :-\
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I agree and perhaps the alternative is to have moderation of questions just like for articles. This also has it's problems.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I fail to see what online chat would bring over posting to the forums. Part of the problem is that the very nature of chat moves away from the idea of giving considered opinion and is best suited to things that don't need to survive after the chat session ends.
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
I think a better approach is to allow the user to use a checkbox that says "This is a school assignment", or something like that.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
Since QA is currently abused, many question can be answered by simply posting a link, those who asked a question probably doesn't come back to mark the correct answer, maybe QA could go after the users. Questions older than a month could be purged as it is useless to keep them on the servers. Open and answered questions alike.
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After reading through the replies to DaveAuld's post from yesterday[^], specifically the comments about QA, I started wondering if we might be better off embracing the homework questions in a new way. I don't see the rate of homework questions declining in the future, so what if there was a separate QA area specifically for them? A QA area dedicated to answering basic questions from students that need a different explanation than what they got from their teacher. I know this already happens, but the noise level in QA is so high that a great answer to a question might not be found by other students with the same problem. There are many dedicated members that do a great job of answering questions in QA every day, but I know there are other very qualified members that don't want to deal with the current format. Let me be clear. I am not saying we should do their homework for them. In fact I think there should be a report option specifically for that, so those questions can be kicked back without even having to post a message to explain that. Couple that with the ability for Protectors to move questions from one area to another. I am not claiming this is an optimal solution, but do you think something like that would make for a better or worse QA experience? [*Zips up fireproof suit and grabs a bottle of water*] Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
I like the idea of a separate homework area, but I'm not sure trying to provide help with homework is where we should go as a community. Homework answers usually need to be timely to be useful. Trying to use a community of practicing professionals, who have real work to do, to get such timely answers is really expecting too much of them. Perhaps we should organize it as a homework knowledge base, and a forum where people can suggest topics and explanations that should be added? That would eliminate the expectation of getting an answer in a timely manner. It would also discourage most of the questions where people just want us to do their homework assignment for them.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I would leave this site if they would implement online chat. Not that I think me leaving would be a great loss, but I do not need AOL back.
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SoMad wrote:
a great answer to a question might not be found by other students
That's because they never try looking.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
That's because they never try looking.
Presumably some do not. But there can be a certain amount of knowledge that one needs to phrase a question and to evaluate the results. For someone that has been programming for a lifetime doing that, even say for a brand new language, is almost intuitive. But for someone that has never programmed before it is probably much less clear. Not even sure that I would fault all of those that do not look. Some of them are probably already frustrated because they have a feeling that they should be able to figure it out but have repeatedly failed. And thus trying again (to figure it out themselves by googling) seems like an exercise in futility so they just give up and hope someone will explain it. I know that myself it took quite a few years in school to actually realize that I had to read the book rather than just skimming it and hoping the answer would jump out at me.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
That's because they never try looking.
Presumably some do not. But there can be a certain amount of knowledge that one needs to phrase a question and to evaluate the results. For someone that has been programming for a lifetime doing that, even say for a brand new language, is almost intuitive. But for someone that has never programmed before it is probably much less clear. Not even sure that I would fault all of those that do not look. Some of them are probably already frustrated because they have a feeling that they should be able to figure it out but have repeatedly failed. And thus trying again (to figure it out themselves by googling) seems like an exercise in futility so they just give up and hope someone will explain it. I know that myself it took quite a few years in school to actually realize that I had to read the book rather than just skimming it and hoping the answer would jump out at me.
