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  • U User 10246491

    Did u read the Project proposal ? - Smart Data Mining - Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms And more... Are some of the problems that it solves. Read more please. Download the test console and then give your opinion :-) Thanks

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    I read your proposal and I watched the YouTube video. At the end of it I was no further forward. Throwing phrases like Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms tells me nothing. Seriously. Write your proposal in English, not technical shorthand. Your refusal to understand that we aren't going to just download a spam posting isn't doing you any favours. Tell you what. Why don't you write an article about this? This is, after all, what CodeProject is all about. If you write an article clearly showing what this solves, you might actually find that people are more receptive. Right now, you're winning no friends here.

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      The slogan says itself : jQuery => Write Less, Do More ;-) The analogy was cited in this regard. Thanks for your comment.

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      The slogan does not mean that it should use as few characters as possible.

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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        Anyone know this new short syntax method of LINQ queries ? http://bwqs.codeplex.com

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        I honestly don't see what this accomplishes other than obfuscation. This reminds me of why I learned to hate Perl: easy to write, a right pain to read and maintain. If a junior programmer can't understand the code within a few minutes, you're doing something terrible to the maintenance programmers, killing productivity and inviting bugs (and making enemies). Code that is opaque for no good reason is worse than no code at all.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          No; a developer must write as clearly as possible so that the next developer can think less. Effort "saved" up front often leads to greater effort later.

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          Frank Alviani
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          Eloquently - and accurately - phrased!

          According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.

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          • U User 10246491

            The slogan says itself : jQuery => Write Less, Do More ;-) The analogy was cited in this regard. Thanks for your comment.

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            Member 10277067 wrote:

            Write Less, Do More

            You keep using these words, I don't think they mean what you think they mean. JQuery allows us to write code that works across browsers, prior to that we had to write different versions of JavaScript for different browsers. JQuery also provides simple ways to do common tasks which would otherwise require a fair amount of JavaScript code. That's what the "write less" part means, it doesn't literally mean to make code as terse as possible. Typing is not a bottleneck in programming (unless you're doing it wrong).

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              I honestly don't see what this accomplishes other than obfuscation. This reminds me of why I learned to hate Perl: easy to write, a right pain to read and maintain. If a junior programmer can't understand the code within a few minutes, you're doing something terrible to the maintenance programmers, killing productivity and inviting bugs (and making enemies). Code that is opaque for no good reason is worse than no code at all.

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              StatementTerminator wrote:

              If a junior programmer can't understand the code within a few minutes,

              Well we'd better stop writing any code then. Or the junior programmers you've met are smarter than the ones I've met. Give them something trivial and they struggle for hours.

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                StatementTerminator wrote:

                If a junior programmer can't understand the code within a few minutes,

                Well we'd better stop writing any code then. Or the junior programmers you've met are smarter than the ones I've met. Give them something trivial and they struggle for hours.

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                For better or worse, junior programmers are often the maintenance programmers fixing the bugs, at least where I've worked. Granted, there's going to be some code that they need a senior programmer's help with now and again, but the code should be as transparent as possible. If you write code that is so clever that the maintenance programmers can't easily read it, then you'd better be willing to maintain it yourself or do a lot of hand-holding. Sometimes that's inevitable, but it shouldn't be done without good reason.

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                  Yuck. Marc

                  Automating Semantic Mapping of a Document With Natural Language Processing

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                  Paul Conrad
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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  Yuck.

                  I agree. when looking at the example, the readability went to hell. Not 100% sure what the example query was going to return as a result.

                  "I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak

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                  • U User 10246491

                    PIEBALDconsult Please, The issue here is the discussion of a new possible concept, we can discuss about best practices of coding in another post. :zzz: Read the things before show yourself to the readers ! Regards.

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                    Member 10277067 wrote:

                    discussion of a new possible concept

                    Understandable.

                    Member 10277067 wrote:

                    discuss about best practices of coding in another post

                    Not so. If a new concept does not adhere to good or best coding practices, then it will not make it very far since people will be less motivated to using it.

                    "I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      I read your proposal and I watched the YouTube video. At the end of it I was no further forward. Throwing phrases like Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms tells me nothing. Seriously. Write your proposal in English, not technical shorthand. Your refusal to understand that we aren't going to just download a spam posting isn't doing you any favours. Tell you what. Why don't you write an article about this? This is, after all, what CodeProject is all about. If you write an article clearly showing what this solves, you might actually find that people are more receptive. Right now, you're winning no friends here.

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                      Paul Conrad
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                      Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                      Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms

                      Sounds like something that needs to get drop kicked into the Buzzword Bingo forum :rolleyes: Along with: Write Less, Do More

                      "I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak

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                        For better or worse, junior programmers are often the maintenance programmers fixing the bugs, at least where I've worked. Granted, there's going to be some code that they need a senior programmer's help with now and again, but the code should be as transparent as possible. If you write code that is so clever that the maintenance programmers can't easily read it, then you'd better be willing to maintain it yourself or do a lot of hand-holding. Sometimes that's inevitable, but it shouldn't be done without good reason.

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        StatementTerminator wrote:

                        do a lot of hand-holding

                        That's rather frowned upon at this organization. :sigh:

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          I read your proposal and I watched the YouTube video. At the end of it I was no further forward. Throwing phrases like Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms tells me nothing. Seriously. Write your proposal in English, not technical shorthand. Your refusal to understand that we aren't going to just download a spam posting isn't doing you any favours. Tell you what. Why don't you write an article about this? This is, after all, what CodeProject is all about. If you write an article clearly showing what this solves, you might actually find that people are more receptive. Right now, you're winning no friends here.

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                          User 10246491
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                          Good reply Pete I actually have very little contact with discussion forums. What I did was an extension of the existing open source library Dynamic LINQ, effecting expressions as text at runtime, bringing this possible concept that uses binary comparison of attributes to keep a short syntax. You can help me compose a better disclosure the idea to get a feedback from the CodeProject community ? For a better understanding of these? Wait. Thanks a lot

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            I read your proposal and I watched the YouTube video. At the end of it I was no further forward. Throwing phrases like Flex Data Formats Interchange Cross Platforms tells me nothing. Seriously. Write your proposal in English, not technical shorthand. Your refusal to understand that we aren't going to just download a spam posting isn't doing you any favours. Tell you what. Why don't you write an article about this? This is, after all, what CodeProject is all about. If you write an article clearly showing what this solves, you might actually find that people are more receptive. Right now, you're winning no friends here.

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            :thumbsup:

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                            • P Paul Conrad

                              Member 10277067 wrote:

                              discussion of a new possible concept

                              Understandable.

                              Member 10277067 wrote:

                              discuss about best practices of coding in another post

                              Not so. If a new concept does not adhere to good or best coding practices, then it will not make it very far since people will be less motivated to using it.

                              "I've seen more information on a frickin' sticky note!" - Dave Kreskowiak

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                              Very good approach Paul. Just what I want to avoid, a premature disinterest. You can help me in this matter? The project propose a toolkit for data query, mining and transformation across multiple formats strong typed objects, dynamic objects, JSON, XML and CSV to attend many real world companies issues like systems integration, B.I, etc. Awaiting your response. Tks a lot.

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                                Member 10277067 wrote:

                                Write Less, Do More

                                You keep using these words, I don't think they mean what you think they mean. JQuery allows us to write code that works across browsers, prior to that we had to write different versions of JavaScript for different browsers. JQuery also provides simple ways to do common tasks which would otherwise require a fair amount of JavaScript code. That's what the "write less" part means, it doesn't literally mean to make code as terse as possible. Typing is not a bottleneck in programming (unless you're doing it wrong).

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                                User 10246491
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                                Similar to this, the proposed open-source tool, supports the manipulation of data in various formats JSON, XML and CSV within a short syntax for its use. Tks for your reply :-)

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                                  Very good approach Paul. Just what I want to avoid, a premature disinterest. You can help me in this matter? The project propose a toolkit for data query, mining and transformation across multiple formats strong typed objects, dynamic objects, JSON, XML and CSV to attend many real world companies issues like systems integration, B.I, etc. Awaiting your response. Tks a lot.

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                                  Member 10277067 wrote:

                                  The project propose a toolkit for data query, mining and transformation across multiple formats strong typed objects, dynamic objects, JSON, XML and CSV to attend many real world companies issues like systems integration, B.I, etc.

                                  Attempting to generalize everything is doomed to failure. Either for you or someone that has to clean up the mess.

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                                    Member 10277067 wrote:

                                    The project propose a toolkit for data query, mining and transformation across multiple formats strong typed objects, dynamic objects, JSON, XML and CSV to attend many real world companies issues like systems integration, B.I, etc.

                                    Attempting to generalize everything is doomed to failure. Either for you or someone that has to clean up the mess.

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                                    User 10246491
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                                    What are you talking about ?

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                                    • U User 10246491

                                      Anyone know this new short syntax method of LINQ queries ? http://bwqs.codeplex.com

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                                      One question. Why?

                                      PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                                        One question. Why?

                                        PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                                        User 10246491
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                                        Read more. Tks ;-)

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                                        • U User 10246491

                                          Read more. Tks ;-)

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                                          I read

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                                          The initial idea was to create something similar to Dynamic LINQ using a different strategy to Reflection.Emit , based on class CSharpCodeProvider / CompileAssemblyFromSource , executing methods containing LINQ queries generated at runtime to hold this solution based on logical comparison . As our notorious colleagues on Microsoft ever thought this idea, we extend ourselves from it ! BWQS (BitWise Query Service) is a suggestion to a shorter code when performing Elastic searches on objects, SQL Databases, XML, JSON and CSV files, analogous to the proposal of John Resig with JQuery in 2006 in the html DOM and Javascript context. Think any attribute of an object can be indexed within a binary table defining binary values at runtime to each attribute according to his ordinaridade, we can make comparisons using logical disjunction recursively for these attributes, both as predicates, such as the lambda search criteria. This, together with the concept of postfix representation of the operations, (Reverse Polish Notation Charles Hamblin in 1950).

                                          and I am no wiser. Why?

                                          PooperPig - Coming Soon

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