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  • S Super Lloyd

    You know I was wondering there is so much religion involved in war? I guess it's easy to make people angry with religion perhaps? And also it's a more powerful motivator than mere profit?

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    Rage
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    Super Lloyd wrote:

    I guess it's easy to make people angry with religion perhaps?

    That's completely wrong ! Stop writing nonsense about religion ! Religion DOES NOT make angry.

    ~RaGE();

    I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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    • J Jorgen Andersson

      For future reference, you should consider following rule four[^] next time. These subjects tend to go out of hand sometimes.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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      Rage
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      I thought the link pointed to the ten commandments.

      ~RaGE();

      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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      • R realJSOP

        Don't for a second think that relious wars aren't spurred on by the promise of profit.

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        JimmyRopes
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        Infidel. :-D

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        • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

          I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

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          JimmyRopes
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          Probably a subject better suited to be discussed in the Soapbox. :doh:

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            Don't for a second think that relious wars aren't spurred on by the promise of profit.

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            Slacker007
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            John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

            spurred on by the promise of profit

            Profit, or prophet?

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              Probably a subject better suited to be discussed in the Soapbox. :doh:

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              Slacker007
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              I was waiting for someone to say this.

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              • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

                I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

                Osofem Inc

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                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                Imagine you and your immediate family owned a country that produced 11 million barrels of oil a day. Imagine you noticed that every time there was a terrorist news story the unit cost went up a few dollars. There is no need to invoke sky fairies. This is about greed.

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  Wouldn't be the first time someone tried to take over the world.

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                  MarkTJohnson
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                  He's right, These guys tried it every night.

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                  • S Super Lloyd

                    You know I was wondering there is so much religion involved in war? I guess it's easy to make people angry with religion perhaps? And also it's a more powerful motivator than mere profit?

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                    Lost User
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                    Bceause if god says it's ok, then it's ok I guess. Come to think of it, the morning agile scrum prayers could benefit from this concept too :)

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                    • R Rage

                      I thought the link pointed to the ten commandments.

                      ~RaGE();

                      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      No, there are just seven of them, we apparently need to have a talk with Bob about that.

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                      • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

                        I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

                        Osofem Inc

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                        jeron1
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                        Just guessing, but I think they are trying to better their odds of getting laid. Though if they just killed themselves apparently their odds go way up.

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                        • G GuyThiebaut

                          My question is more "what is religion?". My definition: religion appears to be a set of beliefs held by a large number of people usually based on some sort of faith in something that is not measurable, using the 'scientific method', and that generally contains ideas that are held as taboo to question within and about the particular religion. Given my definition, it seems fairly easy to then manipulate a large number of people to do something they would not do outside of this group/collective belief system.

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                          Amarnath S
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                          Being an Indian, I have been influenced by the sayings of a saint of India, called Swami Vivekananda, who visited the US back in 1893. He said "Religion is the manifestation of the divinity already in man. Religion is the idea which is raising the brute unto man, and man unto God". See here[^].

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                          • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

                            I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

                            Osofem Inc

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                            Ian Shlasko
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                            It's just a meme. Ten years from now, it'll be as relevant as Rickrolls are today. Hey, there's an idea... Anyone tried Rickrolling those guys yet? Wouldn't it be hilarious if they tried to publish one of their videos, and someone intercepted and modified it so fifteen seconds in, it cut to that video we all know and love/loathe?

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                            • R Rage

                              Super Lloyd wrote:

                              I guess it's easy to make people angry with religion perhaps?

                              That's completely wrong ! Stop writing nonsense about religion ! Religion DOES NOT make angry.

                              ~RaGE();

                              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                              Dave Kreskowiak
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                              No, but it does give people an excuse to be angry over stupid things.

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                                No, but it does give people an excuse to be angry over stupid things.

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                                Rage
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                                Joke. Mind the Joke Icon. It was actually a joke, meant to be funny. To be laughed at. A joke. Joke elaboration: Get angry about someone ranting about people getting angry. Similar joke examples: "I hate extremists, they should all be shot dead." or "Racism is just like niggers, shouldn't exist". [Edit] Oh, and did I mention it was a joke ? [/Edit]

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                                  Joke. Mind the Joke Icon. It was actually a joke, meant to be funny. To be laughed at. A joke. Joke elaboration: Get angry about someone ranting about people getting angry. Similar joke examples: "I hate extremists, they should all be shot dead." or "Racism is just like niggers, shouldn't exist". [Edit] Oh, and did I mention it was a joke ? [/Edit]

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                                  Dave Kreskowiak
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                                  Relax! I missed the joke icon.

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                                  • S Super Lloyd

                                    You know I was wondering there is so much religion involved in war? I guess it's easy to make people angry with religion perhaps? And also it's a more powerful motivator than mere profit?

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                                    You know I was wondering there is so much religion involved in war?

                                    If you are going to get someone to die for your cause, you have to give them a reason. Promising them an "eternal reward" is just one means of doing that. Money could be another one, but after you get so many followers, the money pot runs dry quickly.

                                    Brent

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                                    • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

                                      I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

                                      Osofem Inc

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                                      W Balboos GHB
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                                      You have to consider these hateful fiends in terms of business: Those at the top, who never risk there own safety or comfort, stand only to keep their position if havoc is in play. Some do it with bloodshed (Yassir Arafat, while he looted US$ 2 Billion from "his people"); Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton: racial strife is their stock-in-trade; The middle east? The the Kings, Emirs, etc., can keep there populace accepting poverty (while they drown in wealth) by pointing to an outside enemy (Israel) as the cause: and in that case, the problem really is that it's the only state in the region with rights for women and minorities, investment in infrastructure, education, etc., and allows for defacto religious freedom. They set a bad example so they must be eliminated. There was, after all, no concept, certainly amongst the arabs states, of a palestinian state until Egypt made peace. Now they needed new cannon fodder. Add unrealistic goals and religious zealotry to the mix, and, ta-dah, you have Gaza under the brutal rule of Hamas. As another on this thread noted, they real game at the top is always money/power. Invoking deity as the justification is a sure way of doing whatever you want to whomever you want. The poor and the desperate, always the most devout, can now take their frustrations out on "THEM". In this century, Islam is leading the charge in barbarity. They've a long way to go to catch up to Christendom's history of atrocities, but they're certainly trying hard. Muslim-on-Muslim slaughters between the different sects is simply their tradition (everyone else is a heretic).

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                                      • O Oso Oluwafemi Ebenezer

                                        I am not against any religion! That been said, why are terrorist trying to create "Islamic Caliphate" all around the world, killing innocent souls in the process? Boko Haram of Nigeria just declared creating one yesterday. ISIS in the middle east too!

                                        Osofem Inc

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                                        Rafique Abdullah
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                                        "Caliphate" is a way of government in Islam. Its guards the peoples against each and every social entity. It was a real democratic system, from which today's democracy was extracted. You can see more at web. and about the peoples that claim for caliphate today: Islam don't allow to kill any innocent person. In Islam, killing any innocent human equals killing whole humanity. and saving a human equals saving whole humanity. These peoples are misguided, uneducated, and controlled peoples to dishonor Islam. They are not fighting for caliphate, rather there are political, and international issues. They are being used to control countries, to destroy the economics, and to have a hold on that countries. It's fight of interests. In Islam if you face a snake and want to kill him, you are ordered to kill him at once, you are not allowed to kill him with punishment. Then how it's possible that a Muslim can kill innocent peoples. Hope these lines helps you. Have a nice day.

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                                          You have to consider these hateful fiends in terms of business: Those at the top, who never risk there own safety or comfort, stand only to keep their position if havoc is in play. Some do it with bloodshed (Yassir Arafat, while he looted US$ 2 Billion from "his people"); Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton: racial strife is their stock-in-trade; The middle east? The the Kings, Emirs, etc., can keep there populace accepting poverty (while they drown in wealth) by pointing to an outside enemy (Israel) as the cause: and in that case, the problem really is that it's the only state in the region with rights for women and minorities, investment in infrastructure, education, etc., and allows for defacto religious freedom. They set a bad example so they must be eliminated. There was, after all, no concept, certainly amongst the arabs states, of a palestinian state until Egypt made peace. Now they needed new cannon fodder. Add unrealistic goals and religious zealotry to the mix, and, ta-dah, you have Gaza under the brutal rule of Hamas. As another on this thread noted, they real game at the top is always money/power. Invoking deity as the justification is a sure way of doing whatever you want to whomever you want. The poor and the desperate, always the most devout, can now take their frustrations out on "THEM". In this century, Islam is leading the charge in barbarity. They've a long way to go to catch up to Christendom's history of atrocities, but they're certainly trying hard. Muslim-on-Muslim slaughters between the different sects is simply their tradition (everyone else is a heretic).

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

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                                          JimmyRopes
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                                          W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                          Add unrealistic goals and religious zealotry democratic elections to the mix, and, ta-dah, you have Gaza under the brutal rule of Hamas, and Egypt under the Muslim Brotherhood.

                                          FTFY :-D Not the result the west wanted when they push democracy. :doh:

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                                          I would agree with you but then we both would be wrong._**
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