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  • L LabVIEWstuff

    Hope you don't mind me asking a question here, as someone currently living in Scotland, with an interest in the independence debate - You mentioned in a previous post that your rig had all been sent home at short notice for some hush-hush reason? Can you clarify what that was all about because it seems that it stoked a load of rumours about a huge new oil reserve being discovered in the Clair field? My gut feeling is that it's nonsense, but I'd really value the opinion of someone actually involved in the business directly. Andy B

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    It wasn't my rig that was demobbed. It turns out that there was a discovery, it was announced a week later in the papers. But it was pretty much a non-event and the companies involved share prices barely fluttered. All the talk about the Clair field is down to people with short memories. I remember when the Clair was first built, that it was always stated to be a multi-phase field development plan. That field is simply moving into the 2nd development phase, and suspect the next one will be in about 10 years. West of Shetlands has lots of potential, but it is very hard to operate, heavy crudes, deep water (past the ridge) and harsh environment, the issue is cost. It doesn't matter how much oil is left, cost is the governing factor. North Sea is still declining at a rate quicker than it is being discovered/exploited. If you take my employer, in the North Sea we are recognized as being 'the' best in class. We have the lowest lifting cost/barrel and highest uptime efficiencies and generating large cash flow, yet the parent company are potentially looking at disposing off us to concentrate on US growth. We are just waiting to hear, but it is very quiet, and it doesn't just effect us, but ALL their international assets including Egypt/Oz/Canada. Jana Partners bought a $1B stake in July and are demanding a split/spin-off of the 'international assets' Add to this that, the industry is resource constrained, you cannot get competent experienced teams for either offshore or engineering, everyone is moving overseas. this means to get people you need to pay and this puts costs up massively. Companies will then withdraw investment and go and spend their money in more profitable regions. I keep hearing the 'yes' group saying 'we can do this, look at Ireland/Norway/Iceland/Sweden etc.etc.' and yes they have done it, but cost of living is frightening and these countries went through decades of pain. You then have to look at international markets / fighting Europe / The rise of the East. To stand and compete against this you need to have clout, UK has clout, Scotland on its own doesn't. There is too much from the heart and not from the head going on. It is possible to still be a proud patriotic Scotsman and still be a part of a union. At the end of the day though, that is just my personal opinion.

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      I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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      Patagonia? It's a bit ... "windy", but they got the oil, they got amazing peaks with snow all year, as child-friendlyness of latin american countries (which is to say: great). Kirchnerism and Peronism certainly are bizarre, but have little impact on wifal drivability and similar matters. Not sure about the oil industry working conditions (but then, I donät even know if "4/4 rotation" means you'll be caught in a 4x4 roundhouse swing when your shift starts, just as warm up). Also, distances *are* big, not sure if you get snowy peaks and mother earth leaks are close enough for you, distances between places are usually measured in days.

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        It wasn't my rig that was demobbed. It turns out that there was a discovery, it was announced a week later in the papers. But it was pretty much a non-event and the companies involved share prices barely fluttered. All the talk about the Clair field is down to people with short memories. I remember when the Clair was first built, that it was always stated to be a multi-phase field development plan. That field is simply moving into the 2nd development phase, and suspect the next one will be in about 10 years. West of Shetlands has lots of potential, but it is very hard to operate, heavy crudes, deep water (past the ridge) and harsh environment, the issue is cost. It doesn't matter how much oil is left, cost is the governing factor. North Sea is still declining at a rate quicker than it is being discovered/exploited. If you take my employer, in the North Sea we are recognized as being 'the' best in class. We have the lowest lifting cost/barrel and highest uptime efficiencies and generating large cash flow, yet the parent company are potentially looking at disposing off us to concentrate on US growth. We are just waiting to hear, but it is very quiet, and it doesn't just effect us, but ALL their international assets including Egypt/Oz/Canada. Jana Partners bought a $1B stake in July and are demanding a split/spin-off of the 'international assets' Add to this that, the industry is resource constrained, you cannot get competent experienced teams for either offshore or engineering, everyone is moving overseas. this means to get people you need to pay and this puts costs up massively. Companies will then withdraw investment and go and spend their money in more profitable regions. I keep hearing the 'yes' group saying 'we can do this, look at Ireland/Norway/Iceland/Sweden etc.etc.' and yes they have done it, but cost of living is frightening and these countries went through decades of pain. You then have to look at international markets / fighting Europe / The rise of the East. To stand and compete against this you need to have clout, UK has clout, Scotland on its own doesn't. There is too much from the heart and not from the head going on. It is possible to still be a proud patriotic Scotsman and still be a part of a union. At the end of the day though, that is just my personal opinion.

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        What you've just explained there is more concise than anything I've heard from the Yes/No campaigns. This is the trouble with democracy sometimes - ignorance still has a vote.

        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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          It wasn't my rig that was demobbed. It turns out that there was a discovery, it was announced a week later in the papers. But it was pretty much a non-event and the companies involved share prices barely fluttered. All the talk about the Clair field is down to people with short memories. I remember when the Clair was first built, that it was always stated to be a multi-phase field development plan. That field is simply moving into the 2nd development phase, and suspect the next one will be in about 10 years. West of Shetlands has lots of potential, but it is very hard to operate, heavy crudes, deep water (past the ridge) and harsh environment, the issue is cost. It doesn't matter how much oil is left, cost is the governing factor. North Sea is still declining at a rate quicker than it is being discovered/exploited. If you take my employer, in the North Sea we are recognized as being 'the' best in class. We have the lowest lifting cost/barrel and highest uptime efficiencies and generating large cash flow, yet the parent company are potentially looking at disposing off us to concentrate on US growth. We are just waiting to hear, but it is very quiet, and it doesn't just effect us, but ALL their international assets including Egypt/Oz/Canada. Jana Partners bought a $1B stake in July and are demanding a split/spin-off of the 'international assets' Add to this that, the industry is resource constrained, you cannot get competent experienced teams for either offshore or engineering, everyone is moving overseas. this means to get people you need to pay and this puts costs up massively. Companies will then withdraw investment and go and spend their money in more profitable regions. I keep hearing the 'yes' group saying 'we can do this, look at Ireland/Norway/Iceland/Sweden etc.etc.' and yes they have done it, but cost of living is frightening and these countries went through decades of pain. You then have to look at international markets / fighting Europe / The rise of the East. To stand and compete against this you need to have clout, UK has clout, Scotland on its own doesn't. There is too much from the heart and not from the head going on. It is possible to still be a proud patriotic Scotsman and still be a part of a union. At the end of the day though, that is just my personal opinion.

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          LabVIEWstuff
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          Thank you so much for taking the time to reply Dave. These kind of details have been sadly lacking in the whole debate. I'm not the kind of person who signs up to anything based on the evangelical preaching's of single-issue organisations, especially when they are so far from the concensus view. Your information is worth it's weight in gold to me, thanks again! Andy B

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            I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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            Well if you can cope with another language (and there's lots of support for learning it if you can) then the answer is southern Germany! Dunno about oil/gas industry so that could be a deal breaker but wouldn't be surprised if Munich had work somehow related to that. Ticks all the other boxes nicely!

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            • D DaveAuld

              I'm sure I had a head hunter contact me about 9 months ago asking if I would be interested in an Plant/Ops managers job there. I think it was a local subsidiary of Shell. They appeared awfully keen. I think I still have the emails to go and check.

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              Internet sucks most places in NZ = expensive. Beautiful place though, the country of my birth...

              I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly "I have sexdaily. I mean dyslexia. Fcuk!" Driven to the arms of Heineken by the wife

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                I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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                Rockall[^] Is that going to be British or Scottish in the invent of a yes vote, or will the Irish put in a claim again?

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                  Rockall[^] Is that going to be British or Scottish in the invent of a yes vote, or will the Irish put in a claim again?

                  Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                  The answer is on the page: The islet of Rockall is part of the UK: specifically it forms part of Scotland under the Island of Rockall Act 1972. No other state has disputed our claim to the islet

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                  • R RossMW

                    What!!!! Sick of picking on your Tassie mates. Which eye have you got open now?

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                    RossMW wrote:

                    What!!!! Sick of picking on your Tassie mates. Which eye have you got open now?

                    Faarrrkkkk off, he's a misplaced Pom he is.

                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                      I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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                      Let me see.... Sh*te weather... Check Oil&Gas... At the moment, Check Education and low madness factor... Check (you must be warned, we are a bit weird :sigh: ) You should move to Norway :D

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                        Let me see.... Sh*te weather... Check Oil&Gas... At the moment, Check Education and low madness factor... Check (you must be warned, we are a bit weird :sigh: ) You should move to Norway :D

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                        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                        He's from Scotland you have nothing on the weird they have up there

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                          I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                          Shetland, by all accounts if the votes a yes they are going to apply for separation from Scotland and they have a goodly chunk of the oil, fits all the other boxes except the good summer but you from Aberdeen should be used to that

                          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            He's from Scotland you have nothing on the weird they have up there

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            :laugh:

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                              :laugh:

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                              Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                              giving me the silent treatment are you!

                              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                Shetland, by all accounts if the votes a yes they are going to apply for separation from Scotland and they have a goodly chunk of the oil, fits all the other boxes except the good summer but you from Aberdeen should be used to that

                                You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                Not a hope in hell I'm moving to Shetland! Permanent Force 10 wind blows across that place...... Don't you knock Aberdeen Summers, NE Scotland is surprising good due to geographical location in relation to the Grampian Mountains. Just look at the solar output chart for my roof: 4kwh system: http://monitoring.solaredge.com/solaredge-web/public?name=AberdeenDMA[^] Better than I thought it would be! :)

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                                  Not a hope in hell I'm moving to Shetland! Permanent Force 10 wind blows across that place...... Don't you knock Aberdeen Summers, NE Scotland is surprising good due to geographical location in relation to the Grampian Mountains. Just look at the solar output chart for my roof: 4kwh system: http://monitoring.solaredge.com/solaredge-web/public?name=AberdeenDMA[^] Better than I thought it would be! :)

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                                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                  eye but it feels mighty chilly with that wind blowing up your Trossocks

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                    RossMW wrote:

                                    What!!!! Sick of picking on your Tassie mates. Which eye have you got open now?

                                    Faarrrkkkk off, he's a misplaced Pom he is.

                                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                    I may have been born a Pom, but, erm, well, it's like this, Guv'n'r

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      That would mean moving abroad if the polls are anything to go by.

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                                      In a failed state, if the economics are anything to go by.

                                      Alberto Brandolini:

                                      The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.

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                                      • D DaveAuld

                                        I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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                                        Romania But I'd advise against actually living in Ploiești.

                                        We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.

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                                          I am just pondering..... If it goes 'Yes' and it all goes horribly wrong, i'm gonna need an exit plan. (it could still go wrong with a 'no' as well depending on agreements). Requirements; A nice weather in the summer, snow in the winter + skiing on tap (say within an hour or so). Oil & Gas industry within region, preferably as not to have to do silly rotations like 4/4 Good education system, child friendly with no Extreme/bizarre cultural religious madness. e.g. woman can't drive etc. Thought about States/Canada/Oz/New Zealand/Qatar/UAE/Singapore/Cyprus.......Yes they all have their own oddities, but at least they are tolerable. Any thoughts?

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                                          Obviously Southern California, fer shur, dude. :cool:

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